Sharpening Help

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I'm not exactly experienced with knives, even though I carry a Benchmade for utility and protection. I know that if you don't sharpen a blade correcly, you can cause damage to the blade.



So is there a method that is safe for novice knife sharpeners such as myself? Devices?
 
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Shadow, You may want to check out the Spyderco Sharpmaker. The first time i sharpened a knife was on that and i got great results. Very easy and works great!

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Shadow,

Go to the main bladeforums.com page and select FAQs. Joe Talmadge has created a superb primer on sharpening which is located there. It should answer many of your questions. And yes, the Spydie sharpmaker is probably the best bet in a system for newbies and experienced folks alike
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I swear by the Sharpmaker, too! But for a newbie, if the edge bevel is less than the sharpmaker's, the initial re-grind and wait for a burr can be a nail-biter. But I agree, it's a great choice.

I also highly recommend the system I learned on, the Razor Edge guides. You *must* get the video that the company sells!

Joe
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I've seen many testimonials here and elsewhere about the Spyde Sharpmaker but would like to ask how it compares to the Gatco sharpening system?

I can't say I've been very satisfied with the results I've gotten with the Gatco (could be my methods, though). I've always used flat stones to hone fixed blades. Seems I get better results with the stones than I'm getting from the "system."

Am I missing something here? Should I give Gatco a second chance or switch to a SharpMarker for folders?




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In response to Blade's comment that he had trouble getting good results from the Gatco system; i've used the Razor Edge System, the Lansky, the Spyderco Tri-angle system, and most recently the Gatco. I find the Gatco a wonderful sharpening tool ( see my thread "lansky vs. gatco") which gives phenomenal results. I grind one side of the blade with the coarse hone until a burr is felt on the opposite side, then grind the other side of the blade until that side also produces a burr. Then I go on to the medium and ultra-fine hones using the same burr methodology. I highly recommend getting the Razor Edge Book Of Sharpening (call 1-800-541-1458) for a great treatise on the theory of sharpening and some easy-to understand diagrams which really unravel the mysteries of knife sharpening.

Good Luck!
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Ditto the Razor Edge comments.

Now that I use their products, I've found that I am much more adept at using the SharpMaker. Razor Edge's stuff comes out when I have a new knife, but the SharpMaker is great for maintaining a good edge, once one is created with Razor Edge's guides and stones.

You can check out Razor Edge on the web at www.RazorEdgeSystems.com.

Ray
 
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Thanks Jason and Ray, I'll check out the website and get the book!


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Thanks for the replies. Is anyone familiar with the Sterling Systems Sharpener (<a href="http://www.2xsharp.com/">http://www.2xsharp.com/</a>? It seems easy to use, but is a good, reliable, and a blade safe sharpener?
 
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Just took a look at Sterling's website. At first glance, these types of sharpeners really appealed to me. So I bought one, from Meyerco, which works on the same principle. Basically what happens is when you pull the blade through, the two sharpening surfaces (in Meyerco's product this is a pair of steel disks and a pair of ceramic ones) actually "peel" or strip off steel. The result is less than a good edge. What I tended to get was a wire edge - totally worthless.

One tendency is for the blade to temporarily "grab" at any noticeable imperfection (knicks & chips) in the blade, then continue on down the blade. When this happens, the design of the sharpener generally causes the imperfection to get worse. My tendency was to over compensate with more pressure, which also makes it worse. Even when I managed to not add additional pressure, the imperfection was already worsened. Once this happens, these styles of sharpeners are basically useless. I then went and bought a Razor Edge kit to fix the damage. What I learned is that only a good hone can remove imperfections easily without removing too much steel.

Think about what the opposing sharpening surfaces are doing to the blade. They impart a kind of an s-curve shaped twisting effect which is magnified as you increase pressure. It's been a long time since I had mechanics of materials courses in school (I'm a computer analyst now), but I just can't see any way that such pressure can be anything but bad for an edge.

Although it seems like a great idea, I've found it to be a waste of money. I'd like to sell mine, but my conscious won't let me do that to someone else.

I don't think this is indicative of Meyerco's general level of quality. I have a couple of Meyerco's Blackie Collins designed knives and I like them quite a bit (not the same class as BM though), but I'd give the sharpener a 2 on a 1 to 10 scale.

If you can try before you buy, do it. Otherwise, you'll probably be better off getting something else. I don't remember the company, maybe Lanksy, but they make a mini sharpener that is small enough to fit a keychain. It uses two very small round ceramic rods inside a plastic frame which is about 1"x1"x0.25". I keep this on me when I'm canoeing. It's only good for touching up an edge (blade has to be about 1/4" or less in thickness), and only last a few times before the ceramic is clogged (very difficult to clean), but at less than $5, it serves the same purpose as the Meyero sharpener, costs less, and doesn't magnify imperfections.

One note - I actually bought the Meyerco from Blackie at a manufacturer's rep day at a large local knife shop. He stressed the importance of very light strokes. Although I tried, it took forever to get a decent edge this way. Certainly, the more pressure you use, the more steel is peeled away. If you can learn the right amount of pressure, and have patience, these sharpeners might work.

For me, their tendency to worsen imperfections, inability to make or maintain a double edge, unsuitableness for single bevel edges, and intrinsic slowness make them expensive (at any cost) dust collectors and drawer fillers.

On the other hand, they might be perfect for maintaining serrated edges. I haven't tried that.

My 2 cents worth. For 4 cents, I'll make the same pitch, but wearing something nicer than a t-shirt.

Ray

P.S. I can thing of one instance when these types of sharpeners could be handy for me - when I have a knife with an edge that has no knicks or chips and I want to remove a lot of steel fast. In my case, though, the Razor Edge Systems is going to do the job.



[This message has been edited by Codeman (edited 26 May 1999).]
 
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