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When Tim sent this picture over on the #ArtKnife chat, I also found it an intriguing knife. Reminded me of Popular Mechanic's 50's-70's view of the "car of the future" as they perceived futuristic cars would look. The cars don't quite look that way, but this sure is one darn appealing knife. Bargain pricing from this maker as well. Check it out.
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In all his excitment about this maker, Tom forgot to mention his name. Also, the link does not mention his name.
The makers name is Tim Herman. I know, most of you have never heard of him. He is probably best known for his color titanium carving on his folders. I belive he was the first to do this. Patrica Walker and Joyce Minnick do this as well.
As Tom said, he is one of the best folder makers in the world.
Interesting knife, you can see the influence from Tim's good friend Wolfgang Loechner from Canada.
Wolfgang's knives are predominatly all stainless steel that have been carved by hand with a file. Some of his best known work features gold work by Martin Butler.
As for a bargain price, I wouldn't go that far.
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[This message has been edited by Les Robertson (edited 09 September 1999).]
The makers name is Tim Herman. I know, most of you have never heard of him. He is probably best known for his color titanium carving on his folders. I belive he was the first to do this. Patrica Walker and Joyce Minnick do this as well.
As Tom said, he is one of the best folder makers in the world.
Interesting knife, you can see the influence from Tim's good friend Wolfgang Loechner from Canada.
Wolfgang's knives are predominatly all stainless steel that have been carved by hand with a file. Some of his best known work features gold work by Martin Butler.
As for a bargain price, I wouldn't go that far.
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Les Robertson
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[This message has been edited by Les Robertson (edited 09 September 1999).]
Sometimes the simplest lines are the most beautiful. Those knives look like liquid steel. Good point Tom about buying a plain finish and having it embellished later. That would prob save $$ in a high end collection over time. I sort of like these the way they are pictured though. Nothing to draw your attention away from the flow. Thats the best part IMO. Damascus would be interesting, it would have to be the "right" pattern for sure, no quick decisions on that one....jeff
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Tom,
Ron Lake is way overated, he has done nothing new in years. His work is starting to suffer in the aftermaket as well. I can get you 2 brass T-Locks for $1,000 each. How many do you want.
As for Loveless. The prices of his knives are based not on quality, but to who he is and what he has done for custom knives. By the way, his hunters range in price from $1,600 - $2,200. You should do your homework before you spout off with prices.
I have a way overpriced Loveless on my table and a Tim Herman knife, which sells first. You guessed it, the way overpriced Loveless.
Not because the Loveless is better, but because there is more of a demand for his knvies, because he is better known.
While there is no doubt that Tim is a world class maker. He is not doing enough to promote himself. He does very few shows, little if any advertising and I havent seen an article about him in years (last one was a cover and article on his Opal handled folder). This lowers his position in the aftermarket. Which it is essential for him to maintain. As makers do not buy back their own knives. The money will have to come from a dealer or another collector. If the maker is not well known enough, you may have difficulty in selling the knife.
This is the reality of custom knives.
Tom here is a question for you. Right now John W. Smith is probbaly the hottest folder maker in the world. For $1,500 from him, you can receive a folder with Mosiac Damascus blade, front and rear bloster and fileworked back spring. Pearl or Ivory scales, 18K gold screws (handmade) holding the handle material on, 18K gold and fileworked thumb stud (also handmade by John) and gold inlay on the front and rear bolster (hand inlaid by John). I forgot to mention that John can make his own Damascus if you would like him to do so.
Now compare the Silver to this knife and explain why it should sell for $1,500.00. Please note that: because he does all that filework by hand is not an acceptable answer. As John makes his own steel, his own gold screws and thumb stud and does all his own filework and and inlay himself.
Tom the point of this is not to embarass you. It is to point out that reputation is not enough anymore. Value has to accompany the knife.
If you check with every well known knife dealer in the country and ask them which they would rather have, they will tell you Smith.
Why do they want Smith, because they can sell his knives as fast as they can get them. This is not the case with Tim's knives.
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Les Robertson
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Robertson's Custom Cutlery
http://www.robertsoncustomcutlery.com/rcc/makers.shtml
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
Ron Lake is way overated, he has done nothing new in years. His work is starting to suffer in the aftermaket as well. I can get you 2 brass T-Locks for $1,000 each. How many do you want.
As for Loveless. The prices of his knives are based not on quality, but to who he is and what he has done for custom knives. By the way, his hunters range in price from $1,600 - $2,200. You should do your homework before you spout off with prices.
I have a way overpriced Loveless on my table and a Tim Herman knife, which sells first. You guessed it, the way overpriced Loveless.
Not because the Loveless is better, but because there is more of a demand for his knvies, because he is better known.
While there is no doubt that Tim is a world class maker. He is not doing enough to promote himself. He does very few shows, little if any advertising and I havent seen an article about him in years (last one was a cover and article on his Opal handled folder). This lowers his position in the aftermarket. Which it is essential for him to maintain. As makers do not buy back their own knives. The money will have to come from a dealer or another collector. If the maker is not well known enough, you may have difficulty in selling the knife.
This is the reality of custom knives.
Tom here is a question for you. Right now John W. Smith is probbaly the hottest folder maker in the world. For $1,500 from him, you can receive a folder with Mosiac Damascus blade, front and rear bloster and fileworked back spring. Pearl or Ivory scales, 18K gold screws (handmade) holding the handle material on, 18K gold and fileworked thumb stud (also handmade by John) and gold inlay on the front and rear bolster (hand inlaid by John). I forgot to mention that John can make his own Damascus if you would like him to do so.
Now compare the Silver to this knife and explain why it should sell for $1,500.00. Please note that: because he does all that filework by hand is not an acceptable answer. As John makes his own steel, his own gold screws and thumb stud and does all his own filework and and inlay himself.
Tom the point of this is not to embarass you. It is to point out that reputation is not enough anymore. Value has to accompany the knife.
If you check with every well known knife dealer in the country and ask them which they would rather have, they will tell you Smith.
Why do they want Smith, because they can sell his knives as fast as they can get them. This is not the case with Tim's knives.
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Les Robertson
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Robertson's Custom Cutlery
http://www.robertsoncustomcutlery.com/rcc/makers.shtml
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
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les,
after some of your inappropriate comments i
feel i should respond.
Now compare the Silver to this knife and explain why it should sell for $1,500.00. Please
note that: because he does all that filework by hand is not an acceptable answer. As
John makes his own steel, his own gold screws and thumb stud and does all his own
filework and and inlay himself.
here is why the knife is $1,500...
1. all work is done by me by hand. i spend a good 2 days doing those simple looking polished flutes. i cut everything out on an old metal cutting band saw. i put a lot of time in on the "little" things that so many makers overlook and i don't know about you but i feel like my work is worth more than minimum wage, as a nationally known airbrush illustrator my time was billed out at $100 or more per hour.
2.other features of my knives i think constitutes fine folders...such as the blades
in my knives ALWAYS lay dead center in the frame when closed.
3. i don't use teflon washers to rely in a playless fit and therefore do not have the spaces between frame and blade on both sides, i rely onfitting the blade in perfectly. tha back of my folders look like one piece of steel. i will put my fit and finish up against any maker in the world.
4.my designs are distinctive from other makers as i was a commercial illustrator for 20 years and feel my design work is pretty good.
5.i don't make 500 knives a year so there are not many of the same.
6. my knives are pinned together and not screwed which makes accurate fits much more important from the start.
As for Loveless. The prices of his knives are based not on quality, but to who he is and
what he has done for custom knives. By the way, his hunters range in price from $1,600
- $2,200. You should do your homework before you spout off with prices.
I have a way overpriced Loveless on my table and a Tim Herman knife, which sells first.
You guessed it, the way overpriced Loveless.
as a "custom" perveyor i can't believe you don't remember loveless's $3,500 35th anniversary hunters with the leather handles.
and unfortunately its true about the way overpriced loveless's and moran's and the like selling first. it is to bad in my humble opinion that so many people would rather buy a name than quality, as i always thought the knife should speak for itself and i would rather people by my knives for their quality rather than my name.
The makers name is Tim Herman. I know, most of you have never heard of him. He is probably best known for his color titanium carving on his folders. I belive he was the
first to do this. Patrica Walker and Joyce Minnick do this as well.
if you are going to talk about my work, you should get your facts straight! i have never carved colored titanium or even worked with it til this year on my new designs. patricia walker engraved and colored micheal's knives but as far as i know, joyce minnick doesn't
work with titanium either. she engraves and gold inlays jim's knives. i developed color bulino engraving about 6 years ago which is nothing like colored titanium. it is done in the style of fracassi from italy and very carefully colored and looks almost photographic. if you viseted my web site that Tom posted you would have seen this.
i also believe that most here in custom knives has heard of me.
les, it just upsets me that you who i have never met or even talked to is talking down my prices and work when you obviously have no idea what my knives are like or their quality. maybe this is why a loveless or a moran or a lake sells first? also that i am a member of the Art Knife Invitational along with Loveless, Lake and Moran of a group of just 25 makers by invitation and have been since its second year way back in the mid 80,s before Lake was invited, says something about my work.
so, i would appreciate that you just don't talk about me til you know a little something about me.
tim herman
after some of your inappropriate comments i
feel i should respond.
Now compare the Silver to this knife and explain why it should sell for $1,500.00. Please
note that: because he does all that filework by hand is not an acceptable answer. As
John makes his own steel, his own gold screws and thumb stud and does all his own
filework and and inlay himself.
here is why the knife is $1,500...
1. all work is done by me by hand. i spend a good 2 days doing those simple looking polished flutes. i cut everything out on an old metal cutting band saw. i put a lot of time in on the "little" things that so many makers overlook and i don't know about you but i feel like my work is worth more than minimum wage, as a nationally known airbrush illustrator my time was billed out at $100 or more per hour.
2.other features of my knives i think constitutes fine folders...such as the blades
in my knives ALWAYS lay dead center in the frame when closed.
3. i don't use teflon washers to rely in a playless fit and therefore do not have the spaces between frame and blade on both sides, i rely onfitting the blade in perfectly. tha back of my folders look like one piece of steel. i will put my fit and finish up against any maker in the world.
4.my designs are distinctive from other makers as i was a commercial illustrator for 20 years and feel my design work is pretty good.
5.i don't make 500 knives a year so there are not many of the same.
6. my knives are pinned together and not screwed which makes accurate fits much more important from the start.
As for Loveless. The prices of his knives are based not on quality, but to who he is and
what he has done for custom knives. By the way, his hunters range in price from $1,600
- $2,200. You should do your homework before you spout off with prices.
I have a way overpriced Loveless on my table and a Tim Herman knife, which sells first.
You guessed it, the way overpriced Loveless.
as a "custom" perveyor i can't believe you don't remember loveless's $3,500 35th anniversary hunters with the leather handles.
and unfortunately its true about the way overpriced loveless's and moran's and the like selling first. it is to bad in my humble opinion that so many people would rather buy a name than quality, as i always thought the knife should speak for itself and i would rather people by my knives for their quality rather than my name.
The makers name is Tim Herman. I know, most of you have never heard of him. He is probably best known for his color titanium carving on his folders. I belive he was the
first to do this. Patrica Walker and Joyce Minnick do this as well.
if you are going to talk about my work, you should get your facts straight! i have never carved colored titanium or even worked with it til this year on my new designs. patricia walker engraved and colored micheal's knives but as far as i know, joyce minnick doesn't
work with titanium either. she engraves and gold inlays jim's knives. i developed color bulino engraving about 6 years ago which is nothing like colored titanium. it is done in the style of fracassi from italy and very carefully colored and looks almost photographic. if you viseted my web site that Tom posted you would have seen this.
i also believe that most here in custom knives has heard of me.
les, it just upsets me that you who i have never met or even talked to is talking down my prices and work when you obviously have no idea what my knives are like or their quality. maybe this is why a loveless or a moran or a lake sells first? also that i am a member of the Art Knife Invitational along with Loveless, Lake and Moran of a group of just 25 makers by invitation and have been since its second year way back in the mid 80,s before Lake was invited, says something about my work.
so, i would appreciate that you just don't talk about me til you know a little something about me.
tim herman