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Spanish flea market finds.

Discussion in 'Axe, Tomahawk, & Hatchet Forum' started by I'mSoSharp, Oct 7, 2016.

  1. I'mSoSharp

    I'mSoSharp

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    Mar 8, 2011
    Yes, & cleaned up better than I expected. Better try not to kill him!

    Thanks. Not sure how old they are but would like to find out, trying to find someone who actually knows rather than guesses is difficult.
    A similar style albeit more modern looking can still be bought in old ironmonger shops, just for comparison I can take a photo of them if anyones interested?

    Thanks & sorry.... ;)


    Regarding the adze, it's currently close to being clean after multiple vinegar soaks & scrubs & I'm really surprised to see it might be wrought iron, plus there is a faint stamp. Pics soon.
     
  2. zzyzzogeton

    zzyzzogeton Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 17, 2013
    I think your "J" and "Z" are there - as part of the stylized ends of the anvil in the logo. :D
     
  3. I'mSoSharp

    I'mSoSharp

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    Mar 8, 2011
    Yeah, the majority of the J is missing, the lower part can be seen touching the anvil, the top of the Z is missing.




    Some pics of the cleaned adze. What looks like a crack below the eye isn't, it's just how it's been forged.

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    The stamp looks like crossed keys over an animal of some description.

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    Blurred :rolleyes: but showing the darker hard line or bit, strangely not showing on the other side above... Not much left but enough to get it sharp & have lots of light sharpens.

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    Not very highly defined but seems to be wrought, I've tried to catch the "grain" in this pic. Grind & handle next.




    Some of the "slip through" handle hatchets/hawks, two middle heads I modified & etched, the bottom tidler head 9oz/250g I polished, just because.........

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    No wedges in sight.
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    Lastly some of the slip through claw hammer still available in some places. Old one on the right.

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    :)
     
  4. Moonw

    Moonw

    Nov 19, 2014
    These are very cool, original.
     
  5. 300Six

    300Six

    Aug 29, 2013
    You're an artist with regard to offsetting some of those slip fit handles!
     
  6. Lieblad

    Lieblad

    Jul 24, 2015
    Interesting tools.
    That adze is definitely wrought, its steel laminate just a strip on the one side of its bit.
    A cheap & easier manufacture, over a full insert steel bit, but lacks durability. Might explain such little steel remains on that bit.
     
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2017
  7. FortyTwoBlades

    FortyTwoBlades Baryonyx walkeri Dealer / Materials Provider

    Mar 8, 2008
    Beautiful photo, though the offset of the handle on that top one goes the opposite direction I'd set it. Love the head on it, and that polished one looks great, too!
     
  8. Square_peg

    Square_peg

    Feb 1, 2012
    Exceptionally done! Full marks!
     
  9. Square_peg

    Square_peg

    Feb 1, 2012
    I'm not so sure about this one. Are we looking at 2 steels or 3? The seam in the photo above could indicate that the entire bit is high carbon steel forge welded onto a wrought iron eye. It may be that only a small amount of hardened steel remains at the bit. But it could high carbon steel all the way back to the eye. It's just needs re-hardening.

    I'm not certain of this but it's one interpretation of what we're seeing.

    If the carbon steel is actually a laminate then that's a helluva long forge weld to make.
     
  10. daizee

    daizee KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 30, 2009
    I want everything in this picture.
     
  11. I'mSoSharp

    I'mSoSharp

    225
    Mar 8, 2011
    Thanks for the positive comments everyone.

    FortyTwoBlades, yes it'd make more sense the handle curving the other way, but then it wouldn't be different :)
    Surprisingly it doesn't feel bad in the hand.




    Yes, thanks for that it does explain what I'm seeing. I haven't come across such a thin bit (1mm/40 thou ish) but that's certainly what is welder on this.
    Square_peg you can see a tiny bit of the hardened area on the "inside" of the adze, this is indeed either how thick it was originally or what's left of the higher carbon bit/edge. The whole adze has evidence of " grain", I just used the pic of the side of the eye because that's where it's etched the most, so the whole thing is wrought with just a slither of a bit.

    As an aside, it just goes to show how very old steel tools benefit from careful cleaning & why I prefer a weak acid such as vinegar or ferric, to show what you have to work with. The big drawback is it's very slow, as in days.

    There is nothing wrong with a wire wheel in an angle grinder on some tools, but it needs to he a straight wire brush, sometimes I see things like this this cleaned with a knot brush capable of removing rust rapidly, & metal!
    In this case there would be no way of knowing if it had a hardened edge or a bit, & if it had a thin bit like this it'd be easy to grind it away.
    Even axes & hammers made of a single piece of steel show a different color where they are hardened, so it's a great way to know if an axe still has a hard edge & how much, a file test can tell it's hard but not how far.

    Anyway, I haven't too much to go at on this adze, I intend to try & square it all up while still retaining the hard edge (no choice!), just for the hell of it I'll etch it again afterwards to see if I succeed or not..... wish me luck :)


    Anyone recognise the stamp? Somehow I feel like I've seen it before but can't remember where, looks like crossed keys above a four legged animal?
     
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2017
  12. Agent_H

    Agent_H Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 21, 2013

    Those are terrific! - As is your handlework.

    Great pictures as well. The wood comes across "rich".
     
  13. I'mSoSharp

    I'mSoSharp

    225
    Mar 8, 2011
    Thanks :)


    Picked these up today, the two with markings on their back edges bought from the same vendor.

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    Now to get cleaning.
     
  14. daizee

    daizee KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 30, 2009
    Those look ancient, can't wait to see what you do with them.
     
  15. upnorth

    upnorth

    Nov 25, 2006
    It's not hard for me to see some family resemblance to fur trade axes in North America.
     
  16. I'mSoSharp

    I'mSoSharp

    225
    Mar 8, 2011
    I thought so but cleaning them have found they're not wrought so maybe not as old as they look. I really like them though.

    Probably because some trade axes were made in the Basque region/northern Spain.
    These look even more like them being older- http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1415974-Old-small-hatchet-heads

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  17. I'mSoSharp

    I'mSoSharp

    225
    Mar 8, 2011
    As the adze was in such poor condition I didn't feel bad about etching it to death :) Straightened out the hardened edge & some metal was removed from the back to bring it back to a good angle.
    Still has a couple of spots that'll disappear in time through sharpening, it's near enough to use.

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  18. I'mSoSharp

    I'mSoSharp

    225
    Mar 8, 2011
    The cleaned up heads, they are wrought but fairly fine grained, the larger one having a large piece of slightly higher carbon steel (darker grey) on one cheek only as well as the higher carbon bit.
    The smaller one has a hole right at the bottom of the eye.

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    Looking a tiny bit brown rusty because I didn't oil them after cleaning as haven't decided whether to leave them alone now or etch them, might leave them as is seeing as they don't show high contrast in the "grain".



    Today's haul, a small cleaver ;). 17" overall.

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    Stamped Gregory.Fenton Ltd.
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2017
  19. Square_peg

    Square_peg

    Feb 1, 2012
    The larger axe may have been re-steeled.
     
  20. I'mSoSharp

    I'mSoSharp

    225
    Mar 8, 2011
    I suspect you are probably right, I didn't think of that. :thumbup:

    In the pics you can see the different steel welded on one side, the other side shows cracks (& maybe a bit of de-lamination underneath) which might be because of it being taken to welding heat on two occasions.

    Now having a go at etching the smaller one, can't resist :rolleyes:
     

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