Stop pin failure

Colinz

Colinz

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Trained yesterday with my Commander (2000) and was close in getting it open 10 times out of 10 without whipping it in the end of my draw. After doing about 100-150 draws (yes my trousers took a beating) I noticed how quiet the lock up was. I heard one of those voices in my head (in fact the same nasal one that told me something was wrong with my uncrushed box when I received my Commander): "Cool, now you´re so good at this that you don´t even have to wave it open in full force." Kind of a Ninja/SEAL/Nasa hi tec stealth opening. (I was almost getting ready to send in an application to the "Gecko45 Mall Ninja Academy")

And then I looked at my knife. The stop pin had broken in half :(

Nooooo, why my Commander? Why did it happen now when I was getting really familiar with it (stop right there, not "familiar", just friend-to-friend familiar). Love the wave feature, the tip-up carry, the cool blade, the comfortable handle. Everything seems so good and then "click", the stop pin breaks. Aaaarrrgh, why haven´t I finished my studies at the university. I could have had a well paid job now. Money that I would have spent on that $250 ´98 Commander that was for sale in the forums just a couple of days ago. Why not a custom ES1-M? Noooo, want to study more, want to learn, stupido.

Could all this misery have something to do with the uncrushed box? I think: "Maybe..." Could be some bad ju-ju from the box...

Emailed Emerson knives and we will see if they can send me a new stop pin.

*itch*

*itch*

Already getting wave-withdrawal symptoms. Bad ones too. Thinking of making my Gunting a tip-up carry blade. No, just kidding.

/Colinz

(if anyone has tried changing it to tip-up plz email me, starting to sha..shake now) :p
 
I would like to profess my profound sarrow at hearing that a beautiful knife was cut down in its prime (pun intended). It is sad when a knife with so much potential is plucked from the edc and sent to the drawer for waiting until repairs. Let us all have a moment of silence for our fallen buddy. My edc SOCFK waved open alot sadder, it is looking depressed.

You will be in our hearts and thoughts and hopefully the Big Man, or his company can send you some much needed relief.

My condolences, and I think I will thumb open my knife today out of respect.

Reed
 
It's a real pisser to have a crappy lot of stop pins after QC has been boosted and alot of the trolls silenced. But apparently, that's what has happened. Just drop Derek a line and I'm sure they will ship you out a stop pin and whatever else you might need.
 
Sad day in Commandar land

Colinz- Sorry to hear about your plight. There were recent posts in regards to the 2000 stop pin problems. I'm sure the gang at EKI (Derek, Peggy et al) can fix you up ;)

I'm glad to see though, that you temporary problem has not caused you to start on EKI about their 'so-called' QC problems. :)

Soon enough, I'm sure you'll be waving again!

As my young daughter would say, "just turn that frown, upside down".

:(
:)
;)
 
Colinz,

Terribly sorry to hear of the damage to your "loved one" but rest in the knowledge that there is no wait for an "organ" and your beloved Commander will be back up and running again in just a few days.

Now back to my standard soap box position...

(everybody chant along!)
BIG-GER-STOP-PINS, BIG-GER-STOP-PINS!
:D

I still think it would be in the best interest of EKI and the customer to switch over to the larger diameter stop pin found in the CQC-7. Tooling changeover should be minimal, price would be offset by reduced parts inventory, and it seems to me (I could be wrong) that the greater mass of the Commander blade would require a heavier stop pin than that found in the much lighter CQC-7.

This is the ONLY thing that I dislike about the Commander, and I do have to admit, that the stop pins in both of my Commanders seem to be doing just fine, but I'd feel more comfortable with a thicker pin.

Anyone else feel this way or is it just me?
 
Reed,
you thumbing open a Emerson out of respect :eek: talk about understaning my feelings. I´m sure "The Big Man" will do everything in his power to help (´cause I´ve never spoken a foul word of the knives, the boxes is another story. Uncrushed box = Bad Ju-Ju, me thinks).

Don,
Yes I read about that bad batch. Email sent earlier today.

RAYE,
Temporary problem indeed. I got a chance to disassemble my Commander for the first time. I should have done this sooner, it´s fun and you get to know your knife better :) I look forward to assemble it again.

Update:
I´m thinking of buying another Commander for eventualities like this :D and it´s also nice to have a leftie in the other pocket (uh, three Commanders?). We´ll see, not sure yet.

/Colinz
 
Ken Cook,
I agree. Look at Spyderco´s Gunting (the only "linerlock"-like knife I have). It has a puny (yes I think it´s too small) blade, but it still has a stop pin size that is double compared to the Commander.

I´m no engineer but considering Sal´s way of playing safe, like not wanting to make a mega folder because he thinks any lock they produce won´t hold up. That kind of thinking probably is the reason for him to use a bigger stop pin in the Gunting.

BTW the G can be used for waveopenings if only it where tip up carry.

/Colinz
 
I got a reply from Derek today and two stop pins are on the way to Sweden. Fast and positive reply. I just have to wait now...

/Colinz
 
Thinking of stop pins

Modification question- has anyone out there modified their Commanders to accept a larger stop pin :confused: ?

I recall the Ti-Commander project, (my ultimate commander) but I don't know what the end result was.

No blasphemy here fellas, but I agree with Mr. Cook. BIGGER stop pins would definitely increase the comfort level!

[While scratching my chin]...Don I was just thinking, I'll bet you'd get more attention from EKI with that cheer of yours if you put on your 'Highschool Cheer Leader's outfit', short skirt and pom-poms ! :D
 
Colinz,
Any time a knife breaks down, I understand. I am a knife therapist.
Reed
 
Originally posted by Colinz
Look at Spyderco´s Gunting (the only "linerlock"-like knife I have). It has a puny (yes I think it´s too small) blade, but it still has a stop pin size that is double compared to the Commander.

That kind of thinking probably is the reason for him to use a bigger stop pin in the Gunting.

BTW the G can be used for waveopenings if only it where tip up carry.

/Colinz
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The Gunting has a Lock which I think is the best lock ever designed as of RIGHT NOW. The Compression Lock, beautifully simple and incredibly strong. I have a Gunting Trainer, you see... :D

The Stop Pin in that particular knife, the size of it, has to do with the Kinetic-Opening Feature [Kin-Op™] of The Gunting, as it is designed to not only be thumbed open with hole or ramp, but to be Kinetically Opened on the person...that's alot of stress.

If you think Inertia Snapping and Waving creates stress, try smacking that ramp into a training partner and Kinetically Opening that knife. Stress, stress, stress...

And yes, it will Wave Open if you remounted the Clip or removed it and carried it in the pocket. But that is another story.

Ray, you a bastid. You gonna be a bastid in the near future. I don't sweat no bastids, ya bastid. :D
 
Originally posted by Ken Cook
Colinz,


Now back to my standard soap box position...

(everybody chant along!)
BIG-GER-STOP-PINS, BIG-GER-STOP-PINS!
:D

I still think it would be in the best interest of EKI and the customer to switch over to the larger diameter stop pin found in the CQC-7. Tooling changeover should be minimal, price would be offset by reduced parts inventory, and it seems to me (I could be wrong) that the greater mass of the Commander blade would require a heavier stop pin than that found in the much lighter CQC-7.


Anyone else feel this way or is it just me?
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Could not have said it better myself!
This is not a rant about QC; this issue has to do with design!:rolleyes:
 
Yup,

It took 10 days for me to get the stop pins over here in Sweden. I don´t have the time to put it together today. I´ll have to do it tomorrow.

Anyway, this is what I call service. Fast reply to my mail and item shipped ASAP internationally. Talk about standing behind their warranty.

I´ll do a bit of waving the next couple of weeks and we´ll see if the new stop pins are of better quality.

/Colinz :)
 
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