talonite against stainless liners?

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It seems to me that the small number of custom folders with talonite blades have Ti liners.

Both are soft materials.

Is there a possible problem with making a talonite blade folder with stainless liners?
 
You are using that word soft very loosely.
Titanium that has been torch hardened and talonite are both around 48 Rc...that isnt 60 by any means.....but gun barrels are around 36!
If you had ground very much of either you would NOT think they are soft!!!!
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GRRRRRR!!!! pick up a TNT and give it a try like I have (and many others have) you will find out how "soft" they are....NOT!!!!!!!! Titanium and Talonite make an excellent folder..espescially when done by Mr Mayo I have not seen others out there yet..but there may be some other makers trying it...Tom has perfected the process of puting the two materials together into a very nice smoooooth operating working knife that wont rust period. I have one of his first Beefy TNT's and this thing is built like a tank...I have only had it about a week now...but have been really slamming it open alot and giving it a workout...I also had one of his recurves and put it through a good cutting test on some pressure treated wood....the blade hardly even picked up a scuff....try one out!!!! Tuff 'N' Tenacious these TNT folders are "soft" they are not
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Judging from the responses, I believe my post was misinterpreted.

Perhaps my casual use of the word 'soft' led to the misinterpretation.

I was not critisizing either the materials or Tom's TNT model.

What I was trying to get to was the soundness of using hardened stainless liner locks on talonite. More to the point, are there adverse effects? Maybe no one knows, maybe it's never been tried. I was wondering if it would work. The question is will the stainless lock have an adverse effect on the talonite tang, like excessive wear.

I was hoping that someone more knowledgeable than I am could answer this question.

Regards,
Ron
 
I think its a good question, Ron.
The problem may be that Talonite is so costly that most makers using it feel it "deserves" the titanium handle/liners as opposed to steel. With framelocks it's a given that most folks will want titanium (weight is a big issue), and when's the last time you saw a liner-lock with anything but ti (liners) in the $400+ range? I can't think of even one.
There are, however, some Talonite/Stellite fixed blades out there, and I'm betting that some of them have a stainless steel guard. If there were any overt issues with dissimilar metals I'm betting we'd have heard of it by now. Just a guess.
-Paul
 
Rknight, I understand your question, but what you don't understand is that Cobalt based alloys were designed with high wear uses in mind. These materials are often used in high wear situations like, agitators, augers, ball mills, rock crusher bearings wich represent much higher wear than hardened steels can dish out.

These materials were designed with high wear in mind, so I don't think you need to worry about. Think about all the alloying elements you have in Stellite/Talonite: Nickel, Silicon, Iron, Manganese, Chromium, Molybdenum, Tungsten and Carbon, and of course, yours truly, Cobalt. This makes for high wear and temerature resistance.

Hope this helps
 
Oh and as for dissimilar metals, it does not really apply since the liners used are usually either made of Ti or 316/416 stainless steel, which is very good against corrosion.

I think Tom is probably making a folder that will not rust under conditions that any human can survive in. Any caustic solution that could damage his knives, would have killed the wearer long before.
 
DDR beat me to it.

He makes the EDC with stainless liners and full length carbon fiber scales in the 400-500 range. I think it's a great concept.


 
I had my eye on a Simonich talonite Carnivore that had stainless liners. I would have preferred titanium liners for corrosion resistance as well. I'm still sorry I didn't pick it up.
 
Ron, I'm curious. Why would you prefer SS liners over titanium? (on a talonite-bladed knife, that is)


[This message has been edited by ptpalpha (edited 04-29-2001).]
 
Don't forget Derek Munroe..his talonite and titatium blades are a work of art as well..i am the proud owner of both a Mayo and Munroe..BOTH in a class all their own..Munroe was an Art Knife maker first..his Chimera is outta this world !
 
Ptpalpha,

Sorry I missed your post.

I've always thought that stainless liners work just fine, and may be more resistent to wear on the lock face. At the time I posted this I was thinking that DDR's EDC with stainless liners and full length cf scales is a great concept with ease of maintenance. Whereas blast Ti bolsters and liners mar easily. I also prefer a liner lock to a frame lock for various reasons.

For several months my edc has been an LCC/MA which I like, and with all the excitement about talonite, I was thinking of moving to custom like DDR's EDC with Talonite.

In retrospect, the question posed seems to have little merit, but at the time I was curious.



[This message has been edited by RKnight (edited 05-17-2001).]
 
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