Traditional's answer to Sebenza

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Hi all!

In general talk, always someone recomends Sebenza as for the knife. I was wondering what would be Traditionals answer for Sebenza, i.e you would have the money to buy Sebenza but you would like to get more traditional?

And I don't mean any real valuable collectors knife but real deal working knife with excellent blade material and such.
 
Hi all!

In general talk, always someone recomends Sebenza as for the knife. I was wondering what would be Traditionals answer for Sebenza, i.e you would have the money to buy Sebenza but you would like to get more traditional?

And I don't mean any real valuable collectors knife but real deal working knife with excellent blade material and such.

The great part about traditional patterns is you can get a great "real deal working knife with excellent blade material and such" for nothing even close to what a Sebenza would cost. Look around this forum a bit and you'll many examples.

To get the best answer.....you would need to let us know what type of "work" you're referring to.
 
How about a Queen #3L, locking mountain man in D2. The only thing it lacks is a pocket clip, and it's only $60 plus shipping!
 
The Sebenza is a wonderful cutting tool. (Mine was my first expensive knife and was a gift from my wife.)

As it is a single blade and relatively utilitarian in appearance, I'd compare it with a "shadow" pattern in the traditional world. (A lockback might be more appropriate if the strength of the Sebenza's lock is a necessary feature for your usage.)

As a cutting tool, I'd say that any of the following knives (in no particular order) would be up to the task of the Sebenza and each cost less than my Sebenza did over 10 years ago:

Rick Menefee: "Eureka" Pattern with Modified Wharncliffe:

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Rick Menefee: Dogleg

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Ken Erickson: Shadow "Hunter"

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Bret Dowell:

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Ray Cover:

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Ray Kirk (M.S.): Scagel w/forged 52100 & stag

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...and I could add "fancier" scaled/bolstered knives to the knives above (all customs) which also would cut at least as well as a Sebenza and still come in at a lower price to boot. :cool:
 
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Elliot, I really like that top one, Swayback Jack looking... Something like that. But since I would most likely need to import that knife, I have to add +30% toll price. So closer to sebbies price we go.
 
Blues, I love the top one with the bollux shield. It looks like a cross between a wharny and a spear point. What does Rick call that one?
 
Blues,
If you don't mind, what is the closed length on this one?
That is a serious looking blade!

That little beauty is by our own Bret Dowell.

Just under 3.5" closed and only 2 ounces (even).
 
Elliot, I really like that top one, Swayback Jack looking... Something like that. But since I would most likely need to import that knife, I have to add +30% toll price. So closer to sebbies price we go.

That was a design I requested from our own Rick Menefee. I must say he created exactly what I was looking for (with the kind assistance of Tony Bose who provided pattern assistance).

Even with the additions you speak of I think you'd come in under the price of a Sebenza. I'd contact Rick for details.
 
Blues, I love the top one with the bollux shield. It looks like a cross between a wharny and a spear point. What does Rick call that one?

This is a prototype that I asked Rick to build for me. It features a "Eureka Jack" frame with a modified wharncliffe blade. Generally, the Eureka Jack patterns feature a traditional spear blade and are a little less robust overall than this knife. (Tony Bose was kind enough to share the pattern for the frame with Rick.)
 
Thank you Ellito for information. I probably contact Rick when time comes. There are many great sliojoin maker's in these forums so it will be hard to pick.
 
Thank you Elliott for information. I probably contact Rick when time comes. There are many great slipjoint makers in these forums so it will be hard to pick.

Truer words were never spoken! :thumbup::cool:
 
Well the Sebbie is a great knife but bare in mind that because a knife does not have one of the modern Uber steels like S30V, that does not make it any less usable.

Older steels like Queen D2, Great Eastern 1095 and Case CV are all excellent.

There are folks on this forum who have carried the same traditional for years without the need to switch to a titanium/tac option.

For around $50-$70 you can get a traditional sliplock folder that will do 95% of the daily jobs any pocketknife is called on to do, resharpen easily and be very sheeple friendly.......

For a little more you could have one of the excellent custom makers make you a traditional pattern from modern materials like Micarta and modern powder metallurgy steel like CPM154 for around the same price as a Sebbie.

You guys all got there first:D I was still typing.......:foot:
 
Sodbuster Jr. I always thought of this one as the Sebenza of the traditional world. Not a high end knife or a custom, but a tank of a knife, a single blade knife, and one heck of a cutter. There isn't much you can't do with a Soddie. And for the price of a Seb, you can get a BUNCH of Soddies.
 
Hi all!

In general talk, always someone recomends Sebenza as for the knife. I was wondering what would be Traditionals answer for Sebenza, i.e you would have the money to buy Sebenza but you would like to get more traditional?

And I don't mean any real valuable collectors knife but real deal working knife with excellent blade material and such.


Well first off we have to define work, and what a real deal working knife is supposed to do.

Go back a couple of generations and you'll find men who were hardworking enough to make most of us look like slackers. Men who worked out in the weather, no matter what the weather was doing. They did everything from cutting open feed sacks for livestock during a blue norther, to sawing through wet soggy hemp on the deck of a fishing boat, to stripping wire while constructing a building. For the most part 99.999...% of knife work is mundane simple cutting chores.

Looking back in history, when they, the hard working peasant/peon/blue collar guys, had to cut something, they used a simple one bladed carbon steel slip joint much like the beloved sodbuster. In fact, the sodbuster owes it's long heritage to a European knife from Germany and eastern europe. Working people used them, as well as knives like Opinels, Douk-Douk's, single blade Russell's Barlows, Lagioule's, low cost clasp knives, and the like. Perhaps the most knife dependent working men around were the seamen. Sailors knives from the 1800's all seemed to be a single large sheepsfoot blade in a simply built slip joint. In fact, locking blade knives were actually a rare thing, even though they were available. When John Wilkes Booth was shot and killed at Garrets barn, he had on him a folding lockblade dagger.

If you what a real deal working knife, I'll have to go with the guys here that said sodbuster. There's not much a soddie won't handle, and if it won't, then you need to go get an ax or saw. It has a good thin carbon steel blade, and rugged construction that will stand up to whatever you may have to use it for in the real world. This does not include zombie killing or some of those other things people dream up to justify knives that you can stab through car doors.

If you feel like you really need a lock, get a Buck 110 folding hunter. Gadzillions of these knives have been used and abused by lots of hard working people, and they haven't developed a good repuation for nuthin. Plus the Buck family is about the greatest people that ever ran a knife company, outside of Case.

That's my vote; Case soddie or Buck 110. Can't go wrong with either.
 
When I think of a Sebenza, I think of a production knife built with high quality materials to very exact tolerances. I have a small computer graphic Seb and it has a very precise feeling to it. The best approximation I can think of to this sensation in a production traditional would be a Case/Bose collaboration. I have two Norfolks and one Dogleg and they are made with very tight tolerances and nice ATS-34 or 154CPM steel. I have not handled as many traditionals as I would like, but that's my best guess.
 
I agree with jackknife's suggestion of a sodbuster.

When I think of a Sebenza, I think of a production knife built with high quality materials to very exact tolerances.

I also agree with somniloquist's statement above. I think the best thing would be to get a custom sodbuster, with nice handle materials and a modern steel blade.
 
When I think of a Sebenza, I think of a production knife built with high quality materials to very exact tolerances. I have a small computer graphic Seb and it has a very precise feeling to it. The best approximation I can think of to this sensation in a production traditional would be a Case/Bose collaboration. I have two Norfolks and one Dogleg and they are made with very tight tolerances and nice ATS-34 or 154CPM steel. I have not handled as many traditionals as I would like, but that's my best guess.

I would agree with that. The Case/Bose collaborations are kind of like "semi production" knives, which is like what the Sebenza is. I only have 1 Case/Bose, the '03 Dogleg Jack, but it is sweet.

Having said that, my Rick Menefee Back Pocket Shadow, a full custom, is less expensive than a Case/Bose collaboration knife (Through "normal" sources). There're other excellent makers, too, & yes, frequently on these Forum pages, too.
 
i don't know of any "semi-custom" Traditional knives that i would recommend. it's either full custom or Production, of which there are many very well made knives from which to choose.
one example is Great Eastern Cutlery which makes excellent knives, most for under $100.
i think any of the 3 i have will cut as well as my large Classic Sebenza and will all last longer than me by far.
as nice as the Sebenzas are, i think they are over-priced for what you get.
you can buy a custom Tactical by makers such as J.W. Smith and others for less money and have an equal or superior knife.
roland
 
When I think of a Sebenza, I think of a production knife built with high quality materials to very exact tolerances.

I have a small Sebbie and I agree with the above, and would add premium steel with a good heat treat is another defining characteristic of Sebenza.

A Case/Bose collaboration, Schatt & Morgan File & Wire (with ATS34) or custom sodbuster or similar shadow pattern would fit the original poster's requirements. A Dan Burke Queen in ATS34 would also fit the description.
 
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