I recently learned how to do a aerial flip. I start out in regular position. BOunce it off the back of my hand then send it forward to bounce off my index finger. From there i toss it into the air and catch it, so its completely open. Pretty cool huh. Dont have to worry about being cut.
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Trainers... Are the best.
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Hey good for you "LOL"....as long as you have fun with it.., go at your own pace! Soon you will get so good at letting the drone/trainer fly around that you won't be able to resist the real stuff 
....Just be careful and go at your own pace.., sounds like you having lots of fun..., glad you are enjoying it!
"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Hunters seek what they [NEED]"
....Just be careful and go at your own pace.., sounds like you having lots of fun..., glad you are enjoying it!"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Hunters seek what they [NEED]"
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LOL.., "do trainers build bad habits" ~~> is a tough question to answer unless you are specific. If you are planning on only using trainers for all your manipulations, you will never feel comfortable or confident using a live blade (in my opinion). Of course bad cuts arent' much fun.., and I do think since you like trying lots of aerial stuff it was a good choice for avoiding the wet red stuff.
Seems like it might be a good idea to mix in your live blade manipulations for regular openings and closings, and build up your confidence.
Clay has some good thoughts on his site about this, and I think Chuck may also.., don't remember??
You know better than we do what feels smooth and comfortable to you now, so I would definitely use the live blade for the most part, and save the trainer for sparring and doing high-risk airborne stuff.
In my view, the biggest deficit to getting "hooked" on trainers, is that you can be very "sloppy", and build a false sense of confidence because you never get sliced
....so in that sense.., -YES-...trainers can give you inaccurate feedback because you never need to break out the Super-Glue and Neo-Sporin <~~(not to be taken as medical advise). A high quality Balisong with close tolerances will bite you in a heartbeat if you don't internalize precise motor memory through repetition (meaning correctly performed repetitions).., not just flailing around.
Sounds like you are having a blast.., so have fun and don't get too wild with it at first. Try to really feel good about your technique on each manipulation before moving on to more complex stuff.
See ya
"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Seeker hunt what they [NEED]"
Seems like it might be a good idea to mix in your live blade manipulations for regular openings and closings, and build up your confidence. Clay has some good thoughts on his site about this, and I think Chuck may also.., don't remember??
You know better than we do what feels smooth and comfortable to you now, so I would definitely use the live blade for the most part, and save the trainer for sparring and doing high-risk airborne stuff.
In my view, the biggest deficit to getting "hooked" on trainers, is that you can be very "sloppy", and build a false sense of confidence because you never get sliced
....so in that sense.., -YES-...trainers can give you inaccurate feedback because you never need to break out the Super-Glue and Neo-Sporin <~~(not to be taken as medical advise). A high quality Balisong with close tolerances will bite you in a heartbeat if you don't internalize precise motor memory through repetition (meaning correctly performed repetitions).., not just flailing around.Sounds like you are having a blast.., so have fun and don't get too wild with it at first. Try to really feel good about your technique on each manipulation before moving on to more complex stuff.
See ya
"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Seeker hunt what they [NEED]"
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When I had my POS, I noticed myself getting sloppy. It had an edge like a dull butterknife. I can no longer be sloppy now that I have a 42. My POS set me up very well, though. I got the single flip aerial about 95% on it, and I got some of the other manipulations down pat, which translated over to the 42 very well. The key is to always think of the blade as being live, even when it is dull. I think I do better with my 42(duh), not just because it is a better bali, but because the sharp blade keeps me from getting sloppy--whenever I do, I get a sharp reminder. (usually a light jab from a missed aerial)
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Trainers and/or taped blades have a valid use. There's no sense in getting all cut up while you learn the basics of some new technique. But, one has to be very careful not to pick up "bad habits," but also not to become mentally dependent on the blunt edge.
You can read my remarks in this essay.
I think this paragraph sums it up:
Part of learning balisong manipulation is overcoming your fear. If you don't do that, then you've failed at balisong manipulation. I don't care how fast you can make your flips and spins. I don't care how smooth your exchanges are. I don't care how high your aerials go. If you haven't overcome your fear of the blade, then you've failed at balisong manipulation.
You can read my remarks in this essay.
I think this paragraph sums it up:
Part of learning balisong manipulation is overcoming your fear. If you don't do that, then you've failed at balisong manipulation. I don't care how fast you can make your flips and spins. I don't care how smooth your exchanges are. I don't care how high your aerials go. If you haven't overcome your fear of the blade, then you've failed at balisong manipulation.
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i think trainers build bad habbits if you use it all the time.
almost the same goes for taping up the blade, but if it's not too well taped, you can atleast feel that the blade is a bit more narrow at the edge.
this is why i've stopped taping up my blade (except if i'm about to do some SERIOUSLY LETHAL stuff). then i'll know for sure when i do mistakes. and after all those 'i wonder if i can just toss my bali in the air, let it spin x amount of times, and then catch it perfectly open' episodes where i couldn't catch it perfectly open, i DO have some cuts and stuff in my palm. but the knife isn't really THAT sharp, just sharp enough.... 
almost the same goes for taping up the blade, but if it's not too well taped, you can atleast feel that the blade is a bit more narrow at the edge.
this is why i've stopped taping up my blade (except if i'm about to do some SERIOUSLY LETHAL stuff
). then i'll know for sure when i do mistakes. and after all those 'i wonder if i can just toss my bali in the air, let it spin x amount of times, and then catch it perfectly open' episodes where i couldn't catch it perfectly open, i DO have some cuts and stuff in my palm. but the knife isn't really THAT sharp, just sharp enough....