Treating Horn for Handle (Ivory-Substitute) [Yvsa]

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Yvsa -

a number of months ago we talked about replacing an ivory inlaid slab on the handle of one of my khuks with a piece of white tail deer horn. Moscow hide & fur which you directed me to was very helpful in selecting a piece, &c. I've got a slab roughly of the right size cut out, still need to work on it a bit; but I recall that you said you had some old ndn methods of treating horn.. It seems sort of greyish-white right now, I'm trying to match the yellowish ivory of the remaining inlay,

cheers as always,

--ben
 
Originally posted by beoram
Yvsa -

a number of months ago we talked about replacing an ivory inlaid slab on the handle of one of my khuks with a piece of white tail deer horn. Moscow hide & fur which you directed me to was very helpful in selecting a piece, &c. I've got a slab roughly of the right size cut out, still need to work on it a bit; but I recall that you said you had some old ndn methods of treating horn.. It seems sort of greyish-white right now, I'm trying to match the yellowish ivory of the remaining inlay,

cheers as always,

--ben

Ben, first my apologies for not getting anything off to you, but the last few months was pretty rough, even for me. My intentions were good though.

As to the old ndn trick we use any brand of instant tea with the lemon added.
The citric acid helps opens the pores on bone enough to help get the tea color into the medium as well as helping it set so the color doesn't rub off.
The biggest problem is that tea isn't gonna give you an ivory color I'm afraid.
I think I would try some yellow food coloring with vinegar as the acid to try for the yellowish ivory color you're looking for. It may need to be mixed with some tea, or use first one and then the other, to match the color as the tea would tone down the bright yellow color of food coloring.
It would be nice if you had enough material to try to get the color on before you do the actual piece.
You need to be careful with the instant tea as it can color bone differently depending on how porous the bone is as well as how strong you mix the tea.
I mix it way to strong for anyone to drink and sometimes even boil the bone hairpipe beads in it to help darken the bone faster, it's not an instantaneous thing so you do have some time.
Another good trick to use after it's the color you want is to sorta fry the bone in hot oil, but I don't think I would try that if I was gonna glue the piece on as the oil may not let any glue adhere.
The hot oil gives the bone hairpipe beads a really antiqued look, most people can't tell the difference between new hairpipe that's been treated properly from the 100 year old beads.

Hairpipe was originally fashioned from the center of conch shells and was almost ceramic like, but the Europeans found that the ndns were getting the bone stems from the old clay pipes and using them instead and so they started making the bone hairpipe for sale and in different lengths and haven't ceased.
The business is probably greater today than it was 100 years ago.:)
And nowadays you can get the golden horn and the black as well as the golden horn dyed red.
 
Many thanks Yvsa (no worries about not getting a piece off to me - your direction to Moscow Hide & Fur [which was inexpensive] and general instructions on 'cutting' were very helpful and I quickly realised you had a lot of things going on for you).

I have quite a bit more of the horn so I'll try some test bits first. I'll post some pics when I get it finished off.

cheers again,

--Ben
 
.. well, you may be underestimating how some might drink tea! I like mine programmer-coffee strength, to where it dries your mouth as you drink it! Woo Hoo! Stiff tea rules.

I have a tea collection of some pretty good english varieties, and two really good Taiwanese teas (both highland and lowland). Tastes and smells like flowers. meant to be drunk very hot and strong.

Anyhow, just thot I'd focus onthe teas for a sec.

Another thing you might try - Instant coffee. Used it to stain some wood, as it has a nice warm brown color to it. good stuff.


Keith
 
Originally posted by Ferrous Wheel
.. well, you may be underestimating how some might drink tea! I like mine programmer-coffee strength, to where it dries your mouth as you drink it! Woo Hoo! Stiff tea rules.

Naaaw, I'm not underestimating. This stuff would make you pucker so quick you couldn't suck it through a straw with pump assist!!!!:rolleyes: :p :D

On the other hand Kieth I like my tea hot and strong as well, much more than the average person, but I've learned to like the very subtle flavor of Jasmine Tea.:)
In the past I've sometimes made a medicinal tea for use in the Sweatlodge. A dipper full into an 8 quart bucket is enough to flavor the 8 quarts of water.
Any ladies present that may be pregnant are warned not to drink it as it's an abortificant among other things.
I have pretty much stopped making it for coed Sweats due to the potential medical snafus the tea could have.

Another thing you might try - Instant coffee. Used it to stain some wood, as it has a nice warm brown color to it. good stuff.


Keith

I think the idea for using tea for a stain is because it has more tannins in it.
Hmmm, never thought about that before, but since tea has tannins it's probably good for tanning leathers. That would definitely fall into the vegetable tanning category.
Now I'm wondering if people in the Orient may have used tea for tanning at some time?
 
..Wow, Yvsa. That is some powerful tea!

Jasmine Tea--good stuff!

abortificant -- interesting. Perhaps similar to it being a dihorretic?


Maybe our resident Asians could help on the tea-tannin theory...

Keith
 
Originally posted by Yvsa
...but I've learned to like the very subtle flavor of Jasmine Tea.

Jasmine tea is great! It's the only tea I've ever been able to tolerate.

Originally posted by Yvsa
...I think the idea for using tea for a stain is because it has more tannins in it.

I used regular ole tea all the time to stain wood in our furniture-restoration projects. Works great! Here's how it goes:

A customer brings in a piece of furniture, ie. a large trunk. It's all beat to heck and missing a sideboard. So, we would take a piece of wood (aged, but not nearly as old as the furniture) and fit it into place. Then we would dump tea on it over a 2 day period. Alternate that with rubbing a little dirt in now and then, whacking it with a hammer or stick or tool or chair;), put a light finish on it and Ta-Da! - you can't tell the difference and it looks like it's always been there! :cool:

Seeing that process got one of my buddies to kick his tea-slurpin' habit for good! :eek: :eek:

Oh, and of course, it has to be sweet tea. ;)

Did I mention having lived in the South?
 
Has anybody looked at using mammoth ivory? I saw some on ebay a while ago that seemed to be the right amt. and looked cost effective.
 
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