Two older(?) slipjoints - What can you tell me about them

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Hi: I posted these in BL's forum, but the lack of response has me wondering if this thread belongs here. Hoping someone with knowledge can offer some up.

I purchased both of these from the same vendor. - Same one that sold me these - http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=701037

Im thinking these came from someones estate, again it is highly unusual for me to find older(?) knives in good shape like this.

These two have me wondering if I am buying fakes or something along those lines.

The larger appears to have bone scales and (I think) a brass bail. I do not think the blades have been sharpened, not sure if they have been cleaned. Some of the rust spots look like someone tried to scratch them off, especially on the pen blade. Overall, it appears well made, no half stops with good snap.

The master blade has a very faint stamp / etch that appears to read Puma over something unreadable. I have no been able to find a comparable known Puma online though, and that has me wondering.....

The smaller one is clearly stamped Rich A Herder over Solingen over Germany.
Scales look like french ivory, both blades have half stops. Again, I can find no other pictures of Rich A Herder pocketknives online, and I am wondering whats up.

So.... What can you tell me about these?

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Well...Puma has been making slipjoints for many years, good quality knives.

Richard Abr. Herder is an old line Solingen firm that has been around since 1727. They made quite a few bayonets, daggers and knives during WWI and WWII and were originally known as a manufacturer of tools and cutlery.

If you can get some decent close ups of the tang marking it would help as well.
 
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