What type of blade steel needs sharpening least?

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I have been told that some steels have shown a great reluctance to bluntness.

Apparently, D2 is one of these materials but it is also harder to sharpen. Is this a minor drawback?

So currently, what are some of the materials that could be said to have the most hardened edge?

Does this then automatically make them harder to sharpen?
 
BG-42 is a pretty good blend of edge holding and easy sharpening. D2 is also quite nice. 440V stainless holds an edge for a long time, but it's a bitch to sharpen. S30V is supposed to hold an edge very well, and is purposely designed for easier sharpening. Only time will tell if this is actually true, as it's a pretty new type of steel.

Personally.... When I'm after a blade that holds a great edge, yet is easy to sharpen, I go for carbon steel instead of stainless.

It's also worth looking at grinds. Some blade grinds are easier to maintain than others.
 
One of the factors influencing edge retention is the inherent wear resistance of the steel, the greater the wear resistance the longer the edge retention (though it is not even close to a 1:1 relation). And yes, in general how you achieve a greater wear resistance makes the steel harder to machine, as generally it is done by the addition hard carbides like Vanadium. There are other methods though like carbide dispersal, and grain refinement in general which can increase wear resistance and lower machinability at the same time, but this is a lower order effect.

However there are lots of other factors which influence edge retention. For example how suitable is the steel to the knife. If the steel doesn't have the necessary durability you will find the edge chipping, and thus not only will you have to do a lot of sharpening, it will have to be very extensive because you have to remove a lot of material to get past the chips. It is the same thing if the steel is too weak. if the edge is getting dented and rippled you will again be sharpening long and hard. A lack of corrosion resistance will also do the same thing. If your edge rusted you will have a lot of grinding until you get back to solid metal.

However lets knock all of that out of the way. Lets assume that the steel is picked so as to well suit the knife and thus the edge suffers no gross damage of any knife neither through cracks, dents or rust. If this is the case then sharpening becomes a breeze. Even when the knife gets that dull that it is down to just a few percent of its optimal cutting ability for light work, a couple of passes on a hone will put it right back to maximal, even a light steeling will do the same thing. Something like the Sharpmaker combines both of these into the one tool. This is true regardless of the steel type and I have worked with some of the hardest and highest alloy steels like CPM-10V at ~ 63 RC.

The main problem then isn't that the steel is inherently hard to sharpen, but something went wrong and you are being forced to remove far more steel than necessary. This is what makes a hard to sharpen knife, poor design or materials. Execution could also be a problem, sloppy grinds, burnt edges, etc. , will all make your first sharpening a chore as you basically have to create a set of even bevels, and again you are back to the problem of having to remove too much metal. Letting a knife get really dull before sharpening does the exact same thing, it leads to misuse of the blade as you have to use more force to compensate for a lack of sharpness and the edges takes a beating on a microscopic scale.

The last factor is raw cutting ability. People measure sharpness by how well something cuts, thus the inherently better a knife can cut, the "sharper" it will be rated at any given level of finish. This is why you will often see comments on the "sharpeness" of the forged bowies. It isn't the inherently greater sharpness per say, but the fact that the edges are in general at least half the angle of production knives and thus there is a huge difference in cutting ability and this amplifies how the sharpness is rated.

There is one other minor factor, if the edge is so obtuse than most jigs and other sharpening devices can't be set at a high enough angle, all they will do is sharpen the shoulders of the bevel and thus people will complain about hard to sharpen edges as you can spent an hour doing nothing but grinding on the top of the bevel, again, the fact of grinding too much metal.

So in short, if you want a knife that sharpens easily, get one with a very high cutting ability, with clean bevels, which has the steel picked so as to give the necessary level of resistance to chipping, denting and corrosion (achieves through the proper material and heat treatment) so that there is no gross damage induced through use.

-Cliff
 
Thanks Cliff for that informative and educational response. I am always glad when you reply. It's almost like reading an Encyclopedia Britannica research document.

:D :D
 
What type of blade steel needs sharpening least?

I was thinking something like any kind thats on a knife that does not get used ;)

All joking aside, Cliff really seems to know his stuff!
Really great post cliff.

Thanks for the info :)

pahl
 
Golok,
I realize you asked about steel blades, however if you are looking for a knife blade that needs sharpening the very least then I think you might want to try a ceramic blade.
Kevin McClung aka Mad Dog knives makes some awesome tactical ceramic bladed knives.
Stay safe,
Emanuel
 
Talonite or Stellite look to be the best because of how incredibly long it can go without sharpening. But, knives made of these alloys are pretty expensive. It all boils down to what you need such a long-lasting edge for. Is it really that much of a burden to take five minutes to touch up the edge? My knives usually go about a month before they need sharpening. I like 154-CM and VG-10. They seem to have good enough edge holding, and they have much better slicing ability IMHO than some of the longer lasting steels.
 
my DDR mini maxx CF handle spearpoint talonite blade takes a wicked edge, and i have yet to have to resharpen it,and used it a little on a hunt this wkend, still shaving sharp!! a badd a$$ steel imho

talonite is the wave of the future, imho, and also is a lot better than D2 in the edge retention dep't imho


sifu
 
Originally posted by Emanuel
Golok,
if you are looking for a knife blade that needs sharpening the very least then I think you might want to try a ceramic blade.
..... Stay safe,
Emanuel

I have to aggree with Emanuel,I have a Small Buck Titanium/Ceramic,I've carried on and off for 5 years, it's never needed resharpening. It is very sharp, but it's never been hair poppin' sharp,(this I was told has somthing to do with the fact that it's ceramic)

I would just like to add that ceramic blades ,although they are very hard and don't need frequent resharpening, are very brittle and don't take well to any twisting or prying motion,(not that any knife does) ,and even though we all do it to some extent,steel blades are better suited to that type of use.

But if you lookin' for something that has an edge that stays sharp through regular cutting chores you can't beat it for durability.
 
Stellite and Talonite aren't steels, right?

Where do hardened Vascoware or Cruware fall into the equation?
 
440V has to be up there :) it lasts a long time, which is good because its a REAL PAIN to sharpen lol.
 
I would mention that there are many custom makers lining up to do some of their pieces in S30V now. I used to be a huge D2 fan: Some time ago, Mike Obenauf made me one of his small #2 with a S30V blade.
I have to touch it up a lot less than my D2 blades. Incidentally, I am a woodworker and my knives get kinda roughed up. I think talonite/stellite has its place in the kitchen and field. D2 and S30V seem to be suited for tougher materials.
My .02
Barry H
 
Originally posted by golok
I have been told that some steels have shown a great reluctance to bluntness.

It has been my experience that INFI "shows the greatest reluctance to bluntness" of any blade steel I have ever used.
 
Originally posted by golok
Thanks Cliff for that informative and educational response. I am always glad when you reply. It's almost like reading an Encyclopedia Britannica research document.

:D :D

Yes, almost like a PHD thesis........hechehehcehhehehe:D :D :o
 
Vascowear or Cruwear rank right up there with the best in edgeholding steels. There are a few reasons why you dont see more knives with Cruwear or Vascowear. One, it is extremely hard to work and finish once hardened, and it is also not stainless. But, if those factors dont bother you(and they dont bother me), then Vascowear or Cruwear makes for a super tough blade that stays sharp a long time.
 
OK. Where to find Cruwear/vascowear in 1/4" thick, 1.75" wide, 18" long? Also 440V or whatever the new name is for it?

Which steel would make the best bowie, 10" blade, 1/4" thick full flat grind, convex edge? Gonna be used for survival, camping, etc. Needs to be able to hold an edge a long time and still stand up to heavy use in the field. Rifter, chime in here with any more criteria, and lets see if we can find a steel that will work for ya :)
 
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