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What's your preference

Discussion in 'Throwing Knives & Knife Throwing' started by Joseph Gardner, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Joseph Gardner

    Joseph Gardner

    139
    Oct 12, 2018
    Ok fast and simple,

    Where do you prefer your balance on your throwing knife and do you prefer single edged flays or double edged knives for your throw? Show them picts if you got them balancing it on your finger.
     
  2. zzyzzogeton

    zzyzzogeton Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 17, 2013
    Re: balance points, Are you asking about conventional rotation, Bowie (MM) throwing, no-spin or half-spin? It's different based on styles (and personal preferences).

    My throwing knives are all technically double edged as even my MM Bowie clip point have a false edge to them, but nothing I throw has (or needs) cutting edge sharpness to stick.
     
  3. Joseph Gardner

    Joseph Gardner

    139
    Oct 12, 2018
    center of mass? I got gifted some cheap SOG D2 knives that were perfect center balance, but every other throwing knife iv held was tip heavy, iv been asking to forge throwing knives alot but without practice of the martial art its kinda out of expertise to make a weapon I dont use I guess.

    Theyre also sort of survival knife style and iv already chipped a few, If I was going to forge one my thoughts would be tip quench and temper change to forging at the end of the tang?
     
  4. zzyzzogeton

    zzyzzogeton Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 17, 2013
    Part of the problem (from my point of view) is that any of those "cheap" knives, especially any out of stainless steel, are worthless. Improperly heat treated for throwing, they easily crack, break, chip, etc... That's probably at least A reason that the D2s are chipping.

    They need to be soft enough to have a bendy springyness to them, but hard enough not to deform at the drop of a hat.

    Most "commercially sold" throwing knives are improperly heat treated, from a thrower respective, being way to hard. Throwers should be mid-40s to mid-50s at the highest.

    Going with people who specialize in throwers is the way to go. My 30+ competition throwers (rotation, no-spin and MM) are all by knife throwing people who make throwers. They experiment with new versions all the time, trying to find that "perfect" thrower.

    Any knife that tries to be both a throwing knife AND a decent "survival" knife (whatever that nebulous term means) is destined for failure. The example I always use is that you can have a good fighter or a good bomber but a fighter-bomber is too slow to be a good fighter and a has too light of a max payload to be an effective bomber.

    Now, any knife can be thrown, (well, at least once :p ) and a thrower can be sharpened (but a good thrower won't hold a decent edge) for "survival", but for the long term, neither will perform satisfactorily.

    Getting to points of balance, that varies with the person, the knife and the style of throwing. Everyone is gonna prefer something different. Many folks prefer point heavy for no-spin, others prefer center-balanced. Rotational knife POBs range from towards the pommel to center to towards the point.

    I have no-spins that are butt heavy, point heavy and dead center. They all have their positives and negatives. Most of my Bowies are very point heavy.

    I am not a good example to follow s I have a terrible history of making profitable knives, but my approach is to never make prototypes out of "good" or "decent" steel.

    Every prototype I have ever made, whether throwers, Bowies, swords, daggers, etc - have been made using A36 plate, regular old mild steel. It's much cheaper than using L6, S7, D2, W1, 10xx, etc for making knifes that are "in development". I can make a dozen or more knives out of a chunk of A36 for what the "good stuff" costs for a final product.

    What a knife looks like on paper is useless if the thing doesn't fly right, release right or hit right. I've thrown knives that are useless as blade held throwers, funky looking handles that won't EVER release right, that look cool but flutter like wounded ducks when thrown. The type of steel has absolutely no effect on how a flies, but profile, balance and smoothness of release does. The type of steel only affects how well the knife performs long term.
     
  5. Joseph Gardner

    Joseph Gardner

    139
    Oct 12, 2018
    got a picture with the balance?
     
  6. Angel Fire Knives

    Angel Fire Knives

    2
    Nov 18, 2018
    Check out Angel Fire Knives we make throwers for competition, both conventional and mountain man and also custom make throwers. Our knives are spring steel and are tempered to flex.
     
  7. Joseph Gardner

    Joseph Gardner

    139
    Oct 12, 2018
    I forge just about anything, more or less looking for where the balance should be so I can do a preform, I can pretty much put the balancing point any specific place I want it to be.
     

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