Which to buy and a idea......

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1st part: question for the moderators: I always wanted a knife that could be attached to the underside of a duty belt and remain hidden there untill needed, the knife needs to be fixed blade, and have a way to secure/attache to the duty belt from the backside, I am guessing that with the curve of the person the length of the knife would be limted and most duty belts are 2.25" wide. anyone ever seen a knife to fit this bill with a system to caryy it? and has the idea every been tried or heard of?. I think it would be a good way to carry a backup weapon and keep it secure, if no one knows its there it got to be secure.

2nd part: been looking around at Striders knives Now deciding which to purchase. I like the looks of the Model BG the best so far, any comments on it? I want a general purpose knife and this one seems to fit the bill. Also think ing it would be sweet tiger striped green.
 
I really can't figure out what you are meaning to put this knife. Maybe if you could explain it again, I could help. All the smaller Strider knives aa well as the EB series knives come with tek-lok equiped kydex sheaths. They will attach to any web-belt you can come up with, period. I'm sure whatever way you are failing to explain can be accomodated with any of these knives.

The BG is a great all purpose knife. It really boils down to personal preference. If I had only one Strider that would be used to do the daily general purpose tasks and serve as my War Blade, I'd go with a MT. My preference is different than some. All the Striders will perform admirably for you.
 
If I understand you correctly, the SLCC would fit under your belt. The Kydex IWB sheath may be adaptable to this method with only the velcro band visible around the front of the belt.
 
Ok trying to explan a little better: I would like a knife that would fit "under" my duty belt, between the duty belt and the regular pants belt. This belt i am refering too is a Police Officers duty gear belt, leather two and quater inches wide. the length of the knife would be restrictd because a person's body is "rounded" so other than along the small of the back area under the belt you would not be able to have a long blade. and I want the knife to be concealed by the belt so, whatever means of securing it to the belt would also be under the belt, but Could lap around the belt to secure it, like any of the belt keepers do. I though about rigging something up with a kneck knife, the size would be cloe to what would be required. I will try and draw up a design to show this weekend so you can get a visual of the basic idea. I just thought a knife carried in this manner would be a good secure way to have a it as a last ditch backup weapon and/or for other survival uses. i think i just typed all that in one breath...
 
I understand what you’re talking about, but am wondering how you would deploy the knife.
Would you need to remove the belt? Or maybe have a small cord hanging?
The SLCC would work. You could round the kydex a little.
Have you thought of carrying the thing IWB at your appendix? Everything hides well here, and is easily deployed.

Let us know, we’ll make it.

m
 
Ok drew up the idea basic: Pic A is of the knife design I drew up that I had in mind or close, Knife is aprox. 6" long and 1 3/25" wide, the hole gives something to reach under the belt and grab hold of to pull out and also makes for a finger grip, th backend of the knife is flat for use as a impact weapon should the situation change or warrant.

Pic B shows the knife and holster, the grey area in the pic is to represent the duty belt, all of the knife and holster are behind the duty belt between the belt and pants(belt). The two straps with the round silver buttons come around the belt and snap together to hold the sheath, they should look like the belt keepers most Officers wear so would blend in, the two straps would be the only thing visable when the rig is worn.

Worn like this you would be able to draw the knife by just reaching behind the belt and taking it, but no one would know the knife was there.

I think I got that all right. Feel free to add to it or make suggestions. I think the basic idea and the design would make for a secure, concealed knife that would be easier to get to then a neck knife for a Officer or anyone wearing a duty rig, but still be concealed.
 

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As an On-Duty Cop in Uniform, why would you need to conceal the knife? Does you dept. discourage a knife on the belt? If not, Kenny Rowe has made some really outstanding belt sheaths for the Strider EB series that match most everyone's issue duty belt, be it leather or not. Strider should have all the contact numbers. With the coloring used on both the knife and sheath, it really blends in to the gear almost to the point of being non-visible. I think maybe in this case,(Not that your idea is bad) it is just that the K.I.S.S. principle might be wisely applied here. I would think a simple on the belt sheath, if allowed, would be the way to go. Easy to draw quickly with the off hand to defend the strong side if someone makes a grab for your duty weapon. Just my couple of cents anyway.
 
Well, the pic made it easy to understand exactly what you want. The "keeper straps" would need to be mounted directly to the kydex sheath between the duty belt and the sheath and the only way I could see to deploy would be by using a "front break", or "top break" in this case, sheath. The draw would either force the tip or the edge into the sheath otherwise. Possibly with some piviot action from the sheath so maybe only one keeper strap. This would be due to the inability to draw along the same line that the knife is stored in.

This might be the time to say
"Be carful what you wish for... you just might get it."

I think Mick and others have hit on the key problem with storing a backup this way. Deployment could be difficult. Also, once deployed securing the blade while securing the "bad guy" would be difficult. There is no way to re-sheath the blade unless you use both hands, and you might even need to drop the belt. IWB might be a better choice.

However you choose to go with this, it would be interesting if you kept us informed of you progress.
 
"Have you thought of carrying the thing IWB at your appendix? Everything hides well here, and is easily deployed."

I have a DB. After trying every possible position using the Tek Lok 'belt thingie', I tried it IWB. That's definitely the ticket!
 
concealing the knife reduces the need for retention, I currently carry 3 knives while on duty anyway so its not a dept. question of carrying it. IWB and a duty belt do not go well with each other atleast not to me, by the time you carry a duty belt with all your normal gear and then try tucking a vest on under your clothes that sits ontop of the belt and up under your neck in the car, your room in that area is not much.
Top break on the sheath is the intention, I didnt relay it in the previous post. With a top break the knife would pull up and out with no problem I think. The hole would give something to latch onto. Using a Tek Lok system would be to bulky.

As far as what to do with the knife while while securing the bad guy, the intention of this blade would be so that if used "securing" the bad guy will be mute most likely. It's intention is to be a last ditch weapon.

I like the Strider Kermbit that I have seen pics of, and something like that would be nice.
 
Midget, I just stick it in my pants, over my right pocket, with the knife/sheath pointed a bit below my groin. The handle of my DB is exposed, over my right pocket.
 
I have been thinking about hiding my HT on my left side behind my radio on my duty belt. If I do it right you would only be able to see the top of the handle, and would not be able to tell it was a knife.I have'nt gotten around to testing it since my GB came, but will soon.

In my Dept. their is no current rule against fixed blade knives (there was in the past though). If someone of rank saw me carring my HT, I would bet that within a week, there would be a rule against carring one. My Dept. is extreamly PC:rolleyes:

Reagan
 
Sox,
Thanks by the way for that donation I added you on the list in the forum. Where are you loacted in NC im not far from the Line.
My dept. has no reg's about knives, so I'm good and clear anyway i carry it, except maybe a 10 incher straped to my belt might make someone start thinking of regulations to add. I think done right this would be a good way to carry.
 
I currently carry a WP2 on a static cord and tucked IWB in the appendix position. It sits just behind my OC pouch and no one seems to notice the short piece of paracord that hangs over my belt. In this position, I can reach it with either hand. It is so comfortable, I forget it is there.
 
NGK-Webmaster, E-mail sent. Glad you got the check. I'm glad the whole thing came together so well.

Reagan
 
NGK,

Do you wear your vest under your uniform shirt, or over it? Some depts. have vest covers that match their duty uniform. Chicago PD, for example. My step-father has a leather cover for his vest which looks EXACTLY like his uniform shirt, especially when its completed by his star, name plate, ribbons, pens, and radio mike.

Is this an option for you?

If so, any number of the smaller Striders would work well. All you'd need to do is on the back of the vest (say small of back), make a slight insertion, like a pocket, that could be velcro'ed closed. Inside this small "pocket" you could have a thin kydex sheath sewn in, so that when you opened the velcro'ed pocket, the handle of the blade would be instantly at your fingertips.

Just a thought.
 
No Phil we wear our vest under the shirt, we looked at the type you are talking about and I wish we had gone with them, they are more comfortable to wear, and I could have hidden all kinds of sh** under them :) I only wear a vest on the outside when in tac gear, and with that gear I have many options of wear to carry about anything you would want but regular duty gear nope.
 
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