Why hasn't Emerson fixed the pivot screw problem? This is the reason why I don't own an Emerson. If Emerson is a great company, then they should address this problem by redesigning the pivot screw. I have notified Emerson of this quality control problem through email. I think everyone on this board should do the same. This kind of quality control problem is unexceptable for knives that are over one hundred dollars.
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** Why hasn't Emerson fixed the pivot screw problem???
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I completely agree guys. Sounds like someone is "justifying" not getting experience for themselves.
A far as quality goes, nonbox, do a search on some of the newer products that use the same components as the Commanders. Look up the SOFCK. Find me a disparaging word written about the quality.
Changes were made to the Commander design. Most of them are great. On one change, they stumbled a bit. My understanding is that they have corrected it.
What more do you want? What exactly would get you to buy an Emerson?
John
A far as quality goes, nonbox, do a search on some of the newer products that use the same components as the Commanders. Look up the SOFCK. Find me a disparaging word written about the quality.
Changes were made to the Commander design. Most of them are great. On one change, they stumbled a bit. My understanding is that they have corrected it.
What more do you want? What exactly would get you to buy an Emerson?
John
I have read many posts about the pivot screw problem. Has Emerson addressed this problem? I was planning to buy an Emerson Commander but then I heard about the pivot screw coming loose. I never have had this problem with my Benchmade, Microtech, or ckrt knives.
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I have talked with the Emerson folks and they said that all new Commanders have the pivot screw factory locktighted to address this problem and it seems to have it licked. If you think for a moment about how the WAVE feature works it is obvious that it subjects the knife to some heavy torque and inertia... far more than a spring loaded blade or one that is flicked open. This is probably the reason that there have been pivot screw problems. All of that aside, the WAVE feature works FAR better than anything else I have seen or used.
I will have to say that the folks at Emerson are amoung the best I have EVER delt with as far as customer service is concerned. I would buy another in a heartbeat!
Ben
I will have to say that the folks at Emerson are amoung the best I have EVER delt with as far as customer service is concerned. I would buy another in a heartbeat!
Ben
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I would like to elaborate on a concept or principle here.
First, I ALWAYS formulate my OWN opinions and views based on my experiences w/ any situation/product(s)/people.
I can assure you that if would have listened to everything people have reported, said, inferenced, spun I would have MISSED alot in LIFE and never discovered ALOT of really
valuable stuff.
IMHO there are far to many SHEEPLE today that predicate every act or decision they make on rumor, hyperbole, spin etc.
I investigate, research, field test whatever
it takes to find the truth.
Soar w/ eagles, and make your own decisions and discover your own truth.
If it does'nt work for you fine, move on and get busy living. I have seen no better knife feature for feature as far as ergonomics, function, price, quality, speed etc.et al.
That's my truth.
I'm confident you would not be disappointed.
IMHO
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"Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior."
"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
First, I ALWAYS formulate my OWN opinions and views based on my experiences w/ any situation/product(s)/people.
I can assure you that if would have listened to everything people have reported, said, inferenced, spun I would have MISSED alot in LIFE and never discovered ALOT of really
valuable stuff.
IMHO there are far to many SHEEPLE today that predicate every act or decision they make on rumor, hyperbole, spin etc.
I investigate, research, field test whatever
it takes to find the truth.
Soar w/ eagles, and make your own decisions and discover your own truth.
If it does'nt work for you fine, move on and get busy living. I have seen no better knife feature for feature as far as ergonomics, function, price, quality, speed etc.et al.
That's my truth.
I'm confident you would not be disappointed.
IMHO
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"Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior."
"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
I don't believe in rationalizing for poor design quality control problems. The reason why I and many others come to this forum is to find out what knives are good and problem free. I don't intend to go through trial and error to find a good knife so I come to the board to find out what is good. I believe manufacturers should hear about poor design and address quality control problems.
Another aspect we have not yet mentioned,
Emerson knives are made to be taken apart. Benchmade knives are not. If you take a Benchmade knife apart yourself you void the warranty, a Benchmade knife can have a welded pivot screw.
Emerson knives cannot, then you couldn't take it apart yourself.
I'm not saying it is good that some knives have loose pivot bolts. Heck, spring for some locktite, or adjust it with your thumbnail every so often, or send it back to Emerson and demand that they put some locktite on it.
Just don't sit around a bawl about it.
By the way, none of my Emerson knives have loose pivot screw.
Emerson knives are made to be taken apart. Benchmade knives are not. If you take a Benchmade knife apart yourself you void the warranty, a Benchmade knife can have a welded pivot screw.
Emerson knives cannot, then you couldn't take it apart yourself.
I'm not saying it is good that some knives have loose pivot bolts. Heck, spring for some locktite, or adjust it with your thumbnail every so often, or send it back to Emerson and demand that they put some locktite on it.
Just don't sit around a bawl about it.
By the way, none of my Emerson knives have loose pivot screw.
I will slove this problem here and now.
Ok EKI does not use locktite. When I got my new 2000 Spec-War, as soon as UPS brought it to my door everyting came apart. I do this because i locktite every screw to make it the strongest it can be. Even when I got my 98 and 99 Spec-War I did the same thing, and they also had nothing to keep the screw loose. But the reason other companys dont come loose is because they use somthing like locktite or locktite to slove that problem. So the design is perfect, it just takes the rubbing of 2 brain cells to figger this one out.
And for the stuff you read on the forums, some stuff you read is bulls**t. Most of the crap you read about is written by a bunch of Weaka**s. They problay could not find thier ass with both hands and a road map
. If alot of people started writing, that it is really cool to stab yourself in the leg with a Commander would you believe them and do it. Dont be blind
, find things out for yourself. Trust what you see with your eyes
, dont trust some panty waist retards that cry about stuff that they dont even know about
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Well that what I have to say and if I affended some of those retards out there, kiss my a**
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SNiPER
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Ok EKI does not use locktite. When I got my new 2000 Spec-War, as soon as UPS brought it to my door everyting came apart. I do this because i locktite every screw to make it the strongest it can be. Even when I got my 98 and 99 Spec-War I did the same thing, and they also had nothing to keep the screw loose. But the reason other companys dont come loose is because they use somthing like locktite or locktite to slove that problem. So the design is perfect, it just takes the rubbing of 2 brain cells to figger this one out.
And for the stuff you read on the forums, some stuff you read is bulls**t. Most of the crap you read about is written by a bunch of Weaka**s. They problay could not find thier ass with both hands and a road map
Well that what I have to say and if I affended some of those retards out there, kiss my a**
SNiPER
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Hey SNiPER- Excellent post ! I like stirring the sh!t pot too. I have no idea what you're talking about but it's funny anyway.
Donald.
Donald.
Hey, guys. FYI, I had an CQC7A spearpoint. Keyword here is "had". When I received the knife, the blade was extremely loose. I tightened the pivot screw to what I felt was just about perfect, and after two openings, it loosened back up. I then tried blue locktite on it, letting it set up before trying it again. Same thing happened. I also had problems with the detent keeping the blade closed in my pocket. Maybe I just got a bad one, but my experience was not very good. The sad thing is, I loved the ergonomics of this knife and I would still love to own one, but I will not pay $80 for a knife that has problems such as these. I also did not like the fact that, even though the knife was set up for tip-up or tip-down carry, you cannot move the clip because of the height of the back of the blade pivot. I had read the post about bending the clip to fit over the pivot head, but come on, when you buy an Emerson you expect a great designed knife, not one you have to modify to fit your needs. Maybe you guys are using the red locktite to make your CQC7's stay tight. I didn't have any, so I didn't try it (plus according to lock-tite, the red requires heavy tools or heat to break it loose). I'm not trying to start a flaming contest or anything here, but I do speak from experience. Oh, and if you are wondering, I owned the knife for about 2 weeks before sending it back. It's not like I took it out of the box, went "ewww I don't like it" and immediately sent it back. As I mentioned earlier in the post, I still would love to own this knife, but only if these problems have been addressed.
Flinx
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Flix,
Fair enough and all valid issues.
I would have returned it w/ a brief letter.
They have always rectified anything I have ever puchased. To a level and standard that exceeded my expectations.
Small companies at times have these problems. But the end result I have found to be so far superior it more than makes up for the minor occasional inconveinence. IMHO
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"Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior."
"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
Fair enough and all valid issues.
I would have returned it w/ a brief letter.
They have always rectified anything I have ever puchased. To a level and standard that exceeded my expectations.
Small companies at times have these problems. But the end result I have found to be so far superior it more than makes up for the minor occasional inconveinence. IMHO
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"Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior."
"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
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At this point there should be a Commander Forum.
You gotta love Forums.
Hey SNiPER,
Easy there killer.
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You gotta love Forums.
Hey SNiPER,
Easy there killer.
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SNiPER, I hope you are not calling all these people on this board liars. I read a number of posts about this problem so I know there is a problem. Why would people like "Flinx" lie about the pivot screw problem? I thank people like "Flinx" because they point out problems so people on the board can make a more informed knife buying decision and avoid knives with quality control problems. Manufacturers need to find out about these problems so they can make a better product.
SNiPER, you said most of the people posting are talking bullsh_it. How do we know your posts are not bullsh_it?
Tamishigiri, the majority of people don't have thousands of dollars to keep buying knives to EXPERIENCE EVERY KNIFE FIRST HAND to investigate, research, field test. Do you spend tens of thousands of dollars to try out every knife because just handling them at a blade show or gun show won't reveal knife flaws??? You have to own them for a while to discover problems. That is why I come to this board to find out from owners of knives - what is good and what is bad.
Tamishigiri, the majority of people don't have thousands of dollars to keep buying knives to EXPERIENCE EVERY KNIFE FIRST HAND to investigate, research, field test. Do you spend tens of thousands of dollars to try out every knife because just handling them at a blade show or gun show won't reveal knife flaws??? You have to own them for a while to discover problems. That is why I come to this board to find out from owners of knives - what is good and what is bad.
!!!LOL!!!
I must be one of the "lucky ones"
Try adjusting the liners first if you have problems with the blade scrapping the liners.
malazo wrote:
Thats why I like their products.
HC
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Not not say anyone is a liar. All I was trying to say was its a very easy problem to fix and there bitching about nothing. It does not take a lot of money to find what works or not. Most companys with give your money back if you dont like what you have, even if you f**ked it up testing to see if you like it. Im not trying to put anyone down or dis on anyone. All I am saying is dont sweat the small stuff.
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