I do have the carbon steel orange handled set that they sold as the father son set 11 years ago. my set consists of the orange deerslayer and the orange sharpfinger and both shields say LIMITED EDITION rather than OLD TIMER they are really nice knives and i think i paid $34.95 plus shipping for the set. A great bargain! I have several different Fingers in my collection including 3 little fingers a couple of Deerslayers the drop point uncle henry and carbon Skoal versions as well as the mountain lion 160 model (Carbon steel) and 158ot orange and standard brown and several 152's (white,orange,brown,stag,staglon,green) and the reddish brown camillus version. I believe the model 152 and the model 160 are the perfect sheath knives for field and general camp work as well as any other task requiring a good sharp blade. the 150 is a bit big but almost as useful as the 160.