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9mm ammo

Discussion in 'Gadgets & Gear' started by uncle Alan, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. uncle Alan

    uncle Alan

    Jul 11, 2004
    I have some 9mm & some 9mm Luger. Are they the same. Will they interchange safely ?



    An old man wants to know ,please.

    Uncle Alan a country republican
     
  2. mete

    mete Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    Yes it's confusing ! Invented in Germany more than 100 years ago . 9mm Luger , 9x19 ,9mm Parabellum are all the same . The term 9mm though commonly has become a name for it also ,really only refers to bullet diameter . There are MANY cartridges using a 9mm bullet diameter so saying '9mm' is not sufficient !!
     
  3. Mossyhorn

    Mossyhorn Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    They are the same. There's an old cartridge called the 9MM Largo which is not and sometimes the .380 auto is referred to as the 9mm short.
     
  4. Sid Post

    Sid Post

    Oct 14, 1998
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9×19mm_Parabellum

    There are a lot of different names for the same cartridge, in this case the 9x19 or "Luger" of German origin. The only changes worth noting is that the pressure varies to some degree so, older firearms shouldn't be used with high pressure modern rounds. The over pressure SMG rounds are really meant for blowback SMGs but, can be used on a limited basis in modern high quality 9mm handguns.

    Never shoot unknown ammunition in any firearm. Surplus that has been stored for decades can have erratic pressures as grains of powder get fractured and turn to dust. Instead of a nice burn, you can get a detonation.
     
  5. harkamus

    harkamus

    Apr 23, 2007
    Watch out for 9x18 and 9x21. 9x21 is more commonly used overseas.
     
  6. mete

    mete Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    There are also 9x19 +P ,and 9x19 +P+ .These are higher pressure versions of the 9x19 .Make sure you're gun is designed for them !!
    Without checking -- 9x17 [9mmshort, .380], 9x18 [9mmMakarov], 9x19, 9x21 ,9mm Largo ,9mm Mauser .And I know there are more !!
     
  7. uncle Alan

    uncle Alan

    Jul 11, 2004
    My thanks to METE & MOSSYHORN . It gives me pleasure to be associated with intelligent folks.


    Uncle Alan
     
  8. Sid Post

    Sid Post

    Oct 14, 1998
    With former Russian cartridges, the bore diameter is measure differently. Ruger used .308 barrels for their 7.62x39 rifles which was a problem for many. Measuring the lands versus grooves and mixing it up can ruin your day.
     
  9. Charlie Moore

    Charlie Moore

    259
    May 1, 2002
    Lots of variants...

    9x17= 9mm Kurtz= .380acp= .380 auto= .355in dia
    9x18= 9mm Makarov= .364in dia
    9x19= 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, 9mm NATO= .355in dia
    9x21= 9mm Largo= .355in dia
    9x23= .355in dia (basically a .38 super magnum)
    9x29= 9mm WinMag= .355in dia (designed for semi auto pistol from AMT, and LAR)
     
  10. M67

    M67 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 17, 2010
    Plus there is 9mm Browning Court, which is .380.

    But, as everyone else has said. 9mm, Luger, and Parabellum are all the same thing.
     
  11. harkamus

    harkamus

    Apr 23, 2007
    9mm NATO is loaded to Euro spec (not SAAMI spec) and because of that, is a little higher in pressure than the stuff we get here. You won't find much of it outside of Winchester Ranger RA9124N (I think that's the sku number). It is not quite +P, but definitely hotter than the watered down range ammo stuff you get here in the States.
     
  12. Sid Post

    Sid Post

    Oct 14, 1998
    Nato spec 9mm isn't too hard to buy on-line from reputable sources. You can tell a difference from the cheap range loads most people shoot with the recoil and noise.
     
  13. harkamus

    harkamus

    Apr 23, 2007
    That and the headstamp is marked with the NATO cross. [​IMG]
     
  14. Toxie

    Toxie

    197
    Nov 5, 2007
    9mm CortO, 9mm Kutz (just other names for .380 ACP).
     
  15. CWL

    CWL

    Sep 15, 2002
    You mean "kurz", right? "Kurz" is German for "short" and is used to distinguish between this auto round and 9mm Luger/Parabellum/NATO/9x19 etc.
     
  16. Badhammer

    Badhammer Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 8, 2009
  17. M67

    M67 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 17, 2010
  18. CWL

    CWL

    Sep 15, 2002
    Friggin' French!
     
  19. M67

    M67 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 17, 2010
    Got that right.
     

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