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Depleted Uranium Blade

Discussion in 'Maintenance, Tinkering & Embellishment' started by warrior24, Aug 23, 2006.

  1. warrior24

    warrior24

    673
    May 3, 2006
    Would it be possible to make a blade out of depleted uranium rounds? Then forge the rounds together. Supposedly it’s no longer radioactive. Seems like it would hold an edge very well. But this is just hypothetical since the government isn’t handing out depleted uranium rounds.
     
  2. kel_aa

    kel_aa

    747
    Oct 1, 2004
    Please have a legion of doctors document your health as you forge and and grind a heavy metal. We are always in need of more case studies of heavy metal exposure.
     
  3. darkestthicket

    darkestthicket

    Nov 30, 2002
    uh... radiation is bad.
     
  4. warrior24

    warrior24

    673
    May 3, 2006
    I know its bad but would it be possilbe
     
  5. para-frame

    para-frame

    194
    Feb 15, 2005
    I think they should make blades out of unobtainium they would be as hard as a dimond but be bendable and never chip oh, and it would glow-in-the-dark it would be tact"kewl".

    As to Depleted Uranium supposedly no longer being radioactive, the half life of Depleted uranium is 4.5 billion years so I would not what a neck knife made from it. LOL
     
  6. darkestthicket

    darkestthicket

    Nov 30, 2002
    sure, its possible if you have, like, a full Rad suit you wear for grinding, carrying, touching, oiling (wonder if it would sizzle the oil right off?) fondling and cutting stuff.
     
  7. s002cjs

    s002cjs

    353
    Dec 8, 1999
    Not sure what its edge-holding ability would be like...

    "The hardness of the projectile core is 48 and 49 HR measured by the ROCKWELL method..." from http://www.tenc.net/news/vincha.htm

    Another interesting line, on a side note: "In contact with the rounds, because of the presence of radioactive radiation, skin changes may occur (necrosis and ulceration) which can be visibly manifested in something less than 80 hours."
     
  8. kel_aa

    kel_aa

    747
    Oct 1, 2004
    The melling point of uranium is 1132 C, so that is not difficult to obtain. The hardness is not terrible. But its density is really unsuitable for such a tool, as to match the strength of steel you need to have a bigger cross section, and its density is already 2.3 times that of steel.
     
  9. Tohatchi NM

    Tohatchi NM

    Mar 26, 2002
    Depleted uranium is still radioactive, but not as radioactive as raw uranium from the ground, or fuel for nuclear reactors or weapons. Uranium enrichment separates the uranium isotope U-235 (more radioactive, lower concentration, stuff that is easily fissile) from U-238 (less radioactive, most of the isolated uranium, can be turned into plutonium but otherwise doesn't go boom).

    I'm not sure if forging would be a good idea. Some metals (aluminum, titanium) burn when exposed to oxygen at high temps. That's why you have to MIG or TIG weld these metals - you use an inert gas environment so there's no oxygen around to burn. I think uranium works in similar fashion. This is an asset in anti-tank rounds, where the uranium sabot is self sharpening - as it bores through the armor plate, bits of the metal flake off and ignite. You basically shower the inside of the tank with little flaming chunks of metal. Unfortunately, I don't think this self-sharpening effect works at normal chopping velocities. ;)

    Also, I'm not sure if the properties of uranium would be useful for a knife. It is very dense, even moreso than lead. I think (but could be wrong) that uranium is soft, similar to lead. OK, nevermind. Apparently, uranium is significantly harder than steel, similar to tungsten. Presumably if it could be made tough enough, it would hold a decent edge. Given that info, I would think uranium would perform similarly to tungsten. However, much more metallurgical work has been done on steel than either tungsten or uranium, so things like specific alloys and heat treating procedures would have to be developed.

    Here's a link where I found the hardness info. It's also a good review of the other issues I discussed, like radioactivity of U235 vs. U238, and incendiary properties:

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/bunker-buster.htm
     
  10. rebeltf

    rebeltf

    Jan 29, 2005
    Is this a serious thread ?


    Seriously... ?
     
  11. kel_aa

    kel_aa

    747
    Oct 1, 2004
    I don't think that informatin is correct. That site (as well as Wiki) cites Webelements, which cites....? Most references place uranium softer than steel. Intuitively it makes sense.
     
  12. HoB

    HoB

    May 12, 2004
    Uranium is a fairly soft metal, much softer than hardened steel so aside from the health hazards, this is a really dumb idea. This is a really strange thread, so I got another one for you: Why is no one making blades out of Rhodium? It is much harder than hardened steel, takes a really nices shine, is very corrosion resistant and not as brittle (though not as hard either) as Iridium? Seems like the ideal material, doesn't it?

    .....Maybe it is because Rhodium is about 8 times more expensive than gold and 3.5 times more expensive than Platinum....:D
     
  13. Broos

    Broos

    Jan 10, 2005
    It would have edge retention a bit below a sharpened cast iron pipe. Seriously, if you could swing it up around 6000 fps at impact, it would have awesome penetration.
     
  14. HoB

    HoB

    May 12, 2004
    Ok I searched around a bit and to my surprise it is indeed possible to get Uranium with alloying metals very hard. Hard enough for a blade. The best link I found is this one (hope the link works):
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/lib-www/la-pubs/00414735.pdf#search="Hardness of Uranium"

    However, it is improtant not to mistake strength for hardness or the other way round. By the way, neat Uranium is as soft as lead.

    Yes the link works at least on my computer (is a PDF file).
     
  15. yermom

    yermom

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    Aug 9, 2004
    i'm thinking the weight alone would make it bad
     
  16. warrior24

    warrior24

    673
    May 3, 2006
    Thanks guys for the input. And I was serious about asking the question.
     
  17. kel_aa

    kel_aa

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    Oct 1, 2004
  18. HoB

    HoB

    May 12, 2004
    Kel_aa Sorry, yes I didn't read that right. You are correct of course. On the other hand this is 1940ies research. I would expect they made some progess since then. I stumbled across a few posts on an unnamed mailing list/forum that was talking about penetrator tips for bombs and shells made from Uranium alloys, and compared them to Tungsten carbide that would be in the 2000 Vickers range. I don't know how true this is. For armor piercing ammunition apparently the Uranium is kept soft so that it "sticks to and deforms on the armor focussing the energy of the projectile behind the Uranium".....again a source that I am not entirely sure about. I am inclined to believe some of the claims but I am reluctant to swallow it hook and sinker.
     
  19. kookery

    kookery

    324
    Oct 11, 2012
    Uranium was tested for use as an advanced interchangeable insert for metal cutting tooling in the cold war era. Tungsten carbide won the race, but if I remember correctly, uranium was technically superior, but was dismissed due to health concerns. If you made a knife out of uranium carbide, it would be an interesting show piece, but probably just as impractical as tungsten carbide blades.

    Either way, I'm sure it would work fine, and would be safe to use in knife applications. The reason uranium tooling was considered dangerous for machinists was because they would be using it 8 hours a day at speeds and temperatures large enough to put uranium residue everywhere, including the air. A show piece knife would not be hazardous that way, and might actually turn out to be useful somehow, once its capabilities and limitations are figured out, versus other insane alternatives (corundum, glass, flint, etc).
     
  20. Monofletch

    Monofletch Basic Member Basic Member

    Jan 14, 2010
    As a Gulf War tank crewman--When we got to the Persian Gulf they added a extra DU plates on the front slope of the hull and on front of our turrets. DU is radioactive or so we were told at the time.

    The use of DU in munitions is controversial because of questions about potential long-term health effects. Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure, because uranium is a toxic metal. It is weakly radioactive and remains so because of its long radioactive half-life (4.468 billion).

    If that is the same DU......
     

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