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Long Term CRK Lockbar Durability

Discussion in 'Chris Reeve Knives' started by ganagati, Mar 11, 2017.

  1. ganagati

    ganagati Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 13, 2011
    For those of you that have had and used your sebenzas for years now, how is the lockup looking?

    My question is coming about after getting bitten by the Inkosi bug, and the subsequent research. My experiences with sebenzas is a series of them, rarely more than one at a time, thus prohibiting a side-by-side comparison. However, I did land on a '99 small annual that I carried for a while and a small classic from '08.

    The '99 annual's lockup is deep ... >75%, and does require a bit of force to open. The small classic was much better, but nowhere near as smooth or easy as an Inkosi. I'd stopped by a brick and mortar to check out the inkosi, and while looking at the classic and inkosi side-by-side, the employees commented that the sebenza's design, and lack of the ceramic bearing, will lead to a tighter lockup over time.

    So back to the original question - for those of you that have used your sebenzas over the years, have you noticed the lockup shifting deeper and deeper? Is it simply the nature of the lockup that it gradually moves that way? Was that the reason to move to the ceramic ball in the lock bar for the 25 and inkosi?
     
  2. nyefmaker

    nyefmaker Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    I have had tons of sebenzas and have had no lockup issues with them. I have always been one of those 50% lockup guys but have had sebenzas up to 80%. The lockup never changes much over the years and with heavy use. I have used and gripped them so tightly that the lockbar will go to the other side and it takes more force to disengage it, but this is normal. The next time it locks up, it will be back at 50-75% range it was before. This was a concern of mine at one time and I asked Chris Reeve himself and he gave me a 20 minute education on the framelock and it's design. It was 20 minutes that will last a lifetime and I learned a lot, a hell of a lot. So you have NO Worries........... I personally prefer the older sebenza design over the newer inkosi. I am not a fan of the ceramic ball detent and much prefer the older design that defined the Sebenza.
     
  3. ganagati

    ganagati Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 13, 2011
    Oh, wow - 20 minute seminar with CRK on framelocks? That would've been awesome! Any chance of a cliff's notes version? Why is it that some are at 80% while others are at 50%, and why doesn't it change over time?
     
  4. Birdhunter1220

    Birdhunter1220 Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 3, 2011
    I've had a few Sebenza's with never a lock up issue. I like at least a 50% lock up for hard use makes me feel safe. My large Reg. from 97 gets used all the time and the lock up has stayed at 70% for years. I wonder how much the employee knows about the design of the Sebenza and how much he has used them and for how long.I doubt you will ever have a problem.
     
  5. ganagati

    ganagati Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 13, 2011
    That was my first thought after reading nyfemaker's reply....... I think somebody was trying to sell me a new knife.
     
  6. Corey79

    Corey79

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    Dec 28, 2011
    I guess we will never know for sure until we find a guy who has used a dozen different Sebenzas over a 20 year + period.
    Seriously i doubt the lonjevity of your average Sebenza will ever be a real problem for anyone.

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  7. nyefmaker

    nyefmaker Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    I have carried various sebenzas for 10+ years and the lockup has never changed. They are all regulars because I always preferred them over the 21. Now I carry 21's more than anything and the result is the same. Lockup never moves for me. I will add that I DONT Flick my sebenzas, never have, never will. I like the hydraulic feel, so why open it any other way.
     
  8. JNewell

    JNewell Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 18, 2005
    I've posted this before. I do have one old (1996?) small Regular user that needed attention as the lockbar eventually reached 100% engagement and then developed some lock rock. I don't recall exactly when - I want to say maybe four or five years ago, so the knife was +15 years old. It went back to CRK and came back with a new lease on life for no charge. I should add that I use all of my tools, including my knives, carefully - there was no flicking or other abusive use. To me, this experience was more of a testament to the Sebenza and its maker than a weakness.
     
  9. AwayFromMySpydieHole

    AwayFromMySpydieHole

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    Jan 30, 2017
    I have a large 21 that I've carried almost every day since 2008. It has been opened literally thousands of times, and the lock is still going strong. I'll snap a pic when I can.

    There are things that bug/worry me about CRK knives, but lockup isn't one of them.
     
  10. blanco112

    blanco112 Gold Member Gold Member

    251
    Nov 1, 2016
    Do you know what they did to fix the issue? Just curious how they would fix it and whether those options are still available for someone who owns a regular.
     
  11. UseitorLoseit

    UseitorLoseit Gold Member Gold Member

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    Nov 3, 2016
    I have a large 21 that's a few years old now and very well broken in. It was exceptionally early lock up for a Sebenza. About 20%. It remains at 20% and I've carried and used it a lot. I know that's probably not as long of a period of use that you were inquiring about but after seeing mine not change a bit from how I've carried and used it, I'm satisfied.

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  12. nyefmaker

    nyefmaker Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    They can install a slightly larger stop pin, but they can only do it once. It's rare that they have to though. I have never had to have it done and I have had dozens and dozens of sebenzas both new and users.
     
  13. JNewell

    JNewell Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 18, 2005
    They fitted a new (presumably slightly larger diameter) stop pin.
     
  14. tomsch

    tomsch Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 31, 2004
    My large Insingo is from Oct'2011 and has been carried and used a lot. It's the one knife that I always gravitate back to and sees all kinds of use including things like cutting through copper wire when needed and chopping through roots in the back yard. I don't baby this knife at all and I really can't see any change in the lock-up. It still sits at ~60% and does not move.
     
  15. blanco112

    blanco112 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Nov 1, 2016
    Ah OK, that makes sense. I was thinking a new blade or lockbar, but neither option would be available for regulars now, not to mention very expensive. It's cool the solution is much simpler. Gotta love sebenzas.
     
  16. Barry H

    Barry H

    Nov 3, 1999
    I have a large Reg that I have used for at least 15 years--old S30V blade. I honestly don't notice any lock bar creep to the inside of the frame in that length of time
     
  17. ganagati

    ganagati Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 13, 2011
    Thanks everyone for the anecdotes. It sounds like the issue exists, but it's rare and has a fix.
     
  18. Lapedog

    Lapedog

    Dec 7, 2016
    Why can they only install a new stop pin once? I would assume they could do it as many times as they wanted to. Unless of course you are implying that they only have one size larger stop pin. I would think that any time the lock wore over installing a slightly larger diameter stop pin would make the lock reset.
     
  19. bhyde

    bhyde UNNECESSARY EVIL Moderator Platinum Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    It makes sense in the respect that the blade would start to creep towards the lock too much and would not look right despite functionality.
     

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