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Making a Hinderer great again

Discussion in 'Maintenance, Tinkering & Embellishment' started by halden.doerge, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. halden.doerge

    halden.doerge Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 17, 2014
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    NOW it's a slicer! 17 DPS on the Wicked Edge came out fantastic. Added on the gorgeous red scale, and if you look closely, you can see that it's now running smooth as silk on PB washers! Flips like it's on bearings, fellas! For real. :D
     
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  2. bucketstove

    bucketstove

    775
    Sep 23, 2014
    Hi,
    Nice work :)
    but a 17dps slicer? :confused:

    Have a look at Sharpening - Gränsfors Bruk
    For carving axe they suggest Angle 25° to 30° , that is inclusive angle as in ~12° to 15° degrees per side
    Felling axe angle is only 15° to 18° degrees per side ( 36° degrees inclusive)
    So a slicer?
    You've got axe friend :p
    :D
     
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  3. halden.doerge

    halden.doerge Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 17, 2014
    :D
     
  4. archieblue

    archieblue Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 19, 2001
    Where did you get the PB washers?
     
  5. Billthesheepdog

    Billthesheepdog

    119
    Feb 23, 2012
    "PB"? Peanut Butter? LOL. If their is a different washer for my hinderer I would love to know about it!

    Lovely knife btw. Mine is coyote brown with 20cv steel. I can flip well but thumb stud action is nyet.Hoping that breaks in. Knife is only a couple days old so needs some time I guess.
     
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  6. halden.doerge

    halden.doerge Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 17, 2014
    PB=Phosphor Bronze. I've replaced the nylon washers on my 3.5" and 3" XMs and they definitely feel great. Not like worlds better or anything, but just slightly more solid and maybe a little smoother. But they are still breaking in too, so we'll see how the continue to wear.
     
  7. halden.doerge

    halden.doerge Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 17, 2014
    And chapter 2 of Hinderer greatness:

    Got a brand new MP1 in natural canvas micarta today. Fantastic knife, and as such it had to meet the Wicked Edge. I took this one a bit further, laying it back to 15 degrees per side to see how it did. Ya'll can be the judge. I can tell you for sure that it cuts like a laser.

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  8. halden.doerge

    halden.doerge Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 17, 2014
    I got them at USA Knife Maker. The size you need is 1/4"ID x 1/2"OD x .015"Th.
     
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  9. halden.doerge

    halden.doerge Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 17, 2014
    Further update: The same size phosphor bronze washers fit the MP1 as well. Smooth as butter!
     
  10. Billthesheepdog

    Billthesheepdog

    119
    Feb 23, 2012
    what size did you use and where did you find them? thanks. I would love to try that!
     
  11. halden.doerge

    halden.doerge Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 17, 2014
     
  12. Billthesheepdog

    Billthesheepdog

    119
    Feb 23, 2012
    thanks. gonna order this weekend!
     
  13. Onikudaki

    Onikudaki Gold Member Gold Member

    46
    May 11, 2011
    Do you happen to have a picture of where you mounted the slicer on your wicked edge? Is it a 3.5 or 3"?
     
  14. Billthesheepdog

    Billthesheepdog

    119
    Feb 23, 2012
    ordered! Thanks a lot!
     
  15. halden.doerge

    halden.doerge Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 17, 2014
    It's a 3.5". I don't have a pic of it mounted on the WE. I believe I set it at "B", or basically centered in the clamp. I have a 3" one that I'll be doing soon, and I'll take a pic of that one and add it to the thread when I do.

    Thanks!!
     
  16. halden.doerge

    halden.doerge Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 17, 2014
    Awesome. It's great that they cost next to nothing. I recommend polishing them up a little on some fine grit sandpaper (2000 and up, I really like the 3000 and 5000 grit trizac pads for this) before installing. That definitely helps them run smooth.
     
  17. Onikudaki

    Onikudaki Gold Member Gold Member

    46
    May 11, 2011
    Excellent; I will keep an eye on this thread.

    Thank you!
     
  18. jcoffman55

    jcoffman55

    97
    Jun 18, 2011
    Spyderco recommends sharpening their knives at 20 per side and kitchen knives at 15 per side as the sharp maker system is set up with those angles. I think your quoted angles are each side not inclusive.....
     
  19. bucketstove

    bucketstove

    775
    Sep 23, 2014
    Hi,
    Have you ever tried a 25 degree per side edge (50 degree edge) on a knife?
    A 30 dps ( 60 degrees) edge on a knife?

    Those are angles for metal cutting cold chisels or splitting wedges
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    Wood chisels only go to 30 degrees total.



    If you don't believe this plain language measure the angles of this image
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    I measure these about
    1 listed for frozen wood is 80 degrees or 40 degrees per side
    2 listed for softwood is HIGH angle at 42 degress or 21 dps
    3 listed for carving is is 25 degress or 12.5 dps

    Here they says 25 degrees, An Ax to Grind: A Practical Ax Manual - 99232823 - FS Publications - Publications - Recreational Trails - Environment - FHWA
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    I measure about 25 degrees or 12.5 degrees per side

    Another reference mentioned Leonard Lee's The Complete Guide to Sharpening recommends felling axe edge angles as low as 10-12 dps. Granted, he does qualify it by saying clean (knot free) green wood, but still. In any case, challenge accepted. We'll see what happens.

    Most axes have a 30-40 degree angle at the end of the bit and a 15-20 degree angle about ½” from the cutting edge.

    Spyderco sal himself says all their blades can do 15dps
    15dps is a "safe" angle,
    consider that under 15 dps edge can chop bones And 12 dps edge can still shaves/whittles beard hair after 1000 slices of hardwood ( yes a 1000 slices of hardwood )
    25dps dulls faster than 20dps even if those are microbevel angles

    Also, consider this mind exploding material , spyderco delica/pacific salt...Extreme Regrind , ~6DPS no damage in 50 slices into pine, hardwood flooring and plywood the edge eventually gets damaged while cutting metal (steel food can)
    Edge Retention : Cardboard
     
  20. DeadboxHero

    DeadboxHero Knife Reviewer, Collaborator, Sharpener Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 22, 2014
    Dang Halden, great pics, I wasn't even interested in a mp1 until now. Love micarta.

    Also that red xm-18 3" is hawt man
     
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