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More than anything, this thread has convinced me that there needs to be additional tiers of paid subscriptions, and a sliding scale of pricing. The KnifeMaker membership is, I agree, out of line with a full bore dealer membership, especially for smaller suppliers. I'm going to do some thinking on how to handle that and request feedback before I make final decisions.
You guys have raised valid concerns: why should a small time lanyard or sheath maker pay more than a knifemaker? Fortunately, this doesn't apply to those people, as I've stated repeatedly. This announcement regards SUPPLIERS of materials and equipment.
Josh, it's pretty clear to me you are a "craftsman" or "accessories provider" - you'd fall in with other guys like sheath makers, holster guys, customizers, etc. People who provide add ons that are finished products, but not wholesale parts that are used in the Work In Progress / materials aspect of accounting. This wouldn't affect you. That said, if you aren't making anything out of your lanyards, raise your prices. You aren't doing this for fun. You aren't stocking paracord and tying things because of your good nature, otherwise you'd be giving it away.
Likewise, Go Mike is literally putting up onesy-twosie pieces. Again, not a major wholesaler. That said, if $1 is putting you in the range of jantz supply and the only thing you have going for you is that $1 price difference, get out of doing what you are doing, because you aren't doing it right. You have a rich communications & selling tool here that provides instant feedback & response. Someone who'd switch to Jantz from you over $1 or $2 isn't going to be buying from you in the first place.
Fod, you bring up a bunch of points.
Make no mistake, there will be a top-to-bottom change in how advertising will be done on this website in the near future, affecting the various levels of membership. Knifemaker memberships are probably going to increase in price, above platinum members. I will probably offer monthly (or bimonthly or quarterly) rates, but there will be a savings for year long or multi-year subscriptions. The Knifemaker's Specific Forums subcategory will probably be moved to a top tier and renamed to fit it's expanded definitions. Other changes will be announced, and discussed; I'm a reasonable person and open to constructive criticism & customer feedback.
You guys have raised valid concerns: why should a small time lanyard or sheath maker pay more than a knifemaker? Fortunately, this doesn't apply to those people, as I've stated repeatedly. This announcement regards SUPPLIERS of materials and equipment.
Josh, it's pretty clear to me you are a "craftsman" or "accessories provider" - you'd fall in with other guys like sheath makers, holster guys, customizers, etc. People who provide add ons that are finished products, but not wholesale parts that are used in the Work In Progress / materials aspect of accounting. This wouldn't affect you. That said, if you aren't making anything out of your lanyards, raise your prices. You aren't doing this for fun. You aren't stocking paracord and tying things because of your good nature, otherwise you'd be giving it away.
Likewise, Go Mike is literally putting up onesy-twosie pieces. Again, not a major wholesaler. That said, if $1 is putting you in the range of jantz supply and the only thing you have going for you is that $1 price difference, get out of doing what you are doing, because you aren't doing it right. You have a rich communications & selling tool here that provides instant feedback & response. Someone who'd switch to Jantz from you over $1 or $2 isn't going to be buying from you in the first place.
Fod, you bring up a bunch of points.
- Changing policies - First, no where is going to have static policies forever. Just won't happen. There's always going to be a shift. Most companies out there, be it your electric bill, your internet service, or whomever you buy supplies from, won't give you the option of discussing it. That argument is a non-starter for me. Policies change based on changing situations that dictate they be modified, appended, or discarded altogether. What is convenient for you may not be convenient for another member or the continued operation of this site. That is just a reality of life you'll need to acknowledge.
- How you have been treated - I haven't given you anything other than polite courtesy. I'm really the only person you need to worry about.
- Intent of the forums - the intent of this site is to improve the knife community in general. It cannot be all things to all people. Many of these same arguments I heard when we initially changed to paid subscriptions, many detractors of which predicted that we'd immediately shut down. We had our 10th anniversary last year.
- JerzeeDevil - With respect to the folks who run JD, whom I've been acquaintances with for years and have absolutely no problems with, JD is a site with 5k members and 100 people on it at a given time. We literally have an order of magnitude more activity going on at any given time. If they are charging 20 a month for a forum, I need to up my rates - I've been charging knifemakers $3.33 per month, just a commitment to a 3 year membership up front. Also, I have no problem setting up forums for the new member tiers that I create: It will cost you though. $20 a month doesn't sound like a bad price at all.... In all seriousness, it wouldn't be $240 a year. Get real.
- Blade Magazine - If you think a thread here is the same as a postage stamp sized ad in Blade, be my guest and move on.
- Various other sites - Don't know about them, don't care. They aren't us. They don't match our circumstances. We don't have banner ads, we're open to the public for browsing, we're bigger and we've been around longer. We don't spam you, ask you to drink kool-aid, or brain-wash you. We're BFC, and we have our own ups and downs, and our own benefits & problems
Make no mistake, there will be a top-to-bottom change in how advertising will be done on this website in the near future, affecting the various levels of membership. Knifemaker memberships are probably going to increase in price, above platinum members. I will probably offer monthly (or bimonthly or quarterly) rates, but there will be a savings for year long or multi-year subscriptions. The Knifemaker's Specific Forums subcategory will probably be moved to a top tier and renamed to fit it's expanded definitions. Other changes will be announced, and discussed; I'm a reasonable person and open to constructive criticism & customer feedback.