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Need a sword maker with brass balls, to make the "Zombie bifurcator"...

Discussion in 'Sword Discussion' started by TheKnifeDude, Jul 17, 2012.

  1. TheKnifeDude

    TheKnifeDude

    281
    Jan 13, 2005
    Well I think I finally went off the deep end. I want this made, the picture is pretty self explanatory. But I didn't make it that detailed or to scale, as if this is made the design will have to be changed alot I'm certain. Also it needs to actually to be wielded without possessing Herculean strength. It would need some sort of scabbard. If any here thinks this can be done within reason, reply here or email me at [email protected]

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  2. BePrepared

    BePrepared

    Aug 26, 2010
    so what you want is a tactical beef splitter... nifty idea. I do believe that it would weigh around 5# so it'd be less a sword than a giant cleaver
     
  3. tiguy7

    tiguy7 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 25, 2008
    Most of the sword makers I know have Damascus balls. Do you have a deadline for the Zombie attack?
     
  4. TheKnifeDude

    TheKnifeDude

    281
    Jan 13, 2005
    I like you :thumbup: Not really time constrained, but it would be nice if it was done before the end of the year ;)
     
  5. wnease

    wnease

    878
    Apr 22, 2004
    herculean strength needed for those specs in melee even against slow zombies

    why forged?

    why 5160?

    I'd make something like that but not in that time frame, sincerely I would like you to get what you want!
     
  6. horseclover

    horseclover

    Nov 21, 2000
    Well, with a little care and tuning, a very broad blade like that need not weigh five pounds and could even weigh less than one might think. I offer this example because I am quite personally familiar with a recreation done on the specific original.

    http://www.foxtail.nu/bjorn/h_conyers_eng.htm

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    I no longer own it but could dig up specifics of the differences somewhere but do recall it to be only a half a pound heavier than the original and that due to a thicker guard, longer grip/tang and less drastic distal taper. Yes, a handfull at 3 1/2 lbs or so in one hand but a demon in two hands. The original is less than three pounds.

    This particular type would definitely benefit from a forging maker vs stock removal, due to the loss in material if begun with a sheet. Consider also that the original concept of the first post would benefit from simialr considerations regarding stock thickness and distal taper.The 4.3" width at the widest was accurate to mine but the finish grind not as thin in that section as the original. A slightly shorter point but with the longer grip, eight inches of hilt including the pommel. So, there were differences in specs but still nowhere near five pounds for a big honkin sword. In that picture, two are closer to five pounds but the long one in the center, less than the Conyers recreation shown at roughly 3.3 pounds. That is a Del Tin 5157 and 51 inches overall. That, the longest sword on the table. The A&A GBS with equal side rings at about 4.75 lbs at 50ish inches.

    FWIW and food for thought. There are several medieval falchions and choppers from Del Tin. None weigh anywhere near five pounds.

    Cheers

    GC
     
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2012
  7. horseclover

    horseclover

    Nov 21, 2000
    Another example. Stock removal 6150 (close kin to 5160)

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    Overall Length: 35 1/2'' Blade: 20 1/2''
    Weight: 3 lb 2 oz
    Edge: Unsharpened
    P.O.B.: 2 1/8''
    Thickness: 4.8 mm - 3 mm
    Width: 50.9 mm - 112.8 mm
    Grip Length: 13 1/2''
    Pommel: Peened

    Can be sharpened for a small fee.


    As to the forge vs stock removal, sometimes it makes sense in economy of stock, as mentioned re the Conyers but as far as quality goes, there is little difference in the end product. After all, steel stock begins with forging/forming from the source. True whether bar stock, rounds or sheet.

    Cheers

    GC
     
  8. TheKnifeDude

    TheKnifeDude

    281
    Jan 13, 2005
    Thanks for the responses guys. I figured the forging would make more sense in this case because of the large changes in thicknesses in the different parts of the blade, and I don't want any parts pinned or screwed on except for the scales. It doesn't have to be 5160 but I thought that would be a good alloy for it. Also It doesn't have to be done by the end of 2012, I'm used to waiting years for some of the crazy things I have made for me but faster is always appreciated. And those specs are not concrete, but mere guidelines as the maker would have to change alot of stuff I'm certain.
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2012
  9. BePrepared

    BePrepared

    Aug 26, 2010
    stock removal is generally MUCH easier than forging, will cost less, and the final product will not be weaker assuming quality heat treat

    nothing in your drawing makes me thing it would be hard to produce that item from stock removal.
     
  10. glockboy

    glockboy

    303
    Oct 14, 2003
    Take a look at the Cold Steel Chinese War Sword, it's a "Zombie bifurcator" too.
     
  11. BePrepared

    BePrepared

    Aug 26, 2010
    best bang for your buck in the "Giant Thing Splitter"... Condor Dadao. Under $100, and build like a brick house

    Condor's HT is spot on

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  12. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Have Willie Nease grind you one. Trust me.
     
  13. Mink

    Mink Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 2, 2012
    Check out the Mack Daddy-O by Zombie Tools.

    From their page:

    Talk about a chopstick!

    The ZT Mack Daddy-O is 42 inches of hacking and slashing fury modeled after the Chinese great sword, or dadao. But there’s no ancient Chinese secret here: just a two-foot blade, flat ground to an edge from 1/4-inch 5160 steel, yielding four pounds of cutting mao-mentum that could almost certainly decapitate a unicorn.

    Like all our blades, the Mack Daddy-O is full-tang, tempered to a 53 Rockwell, comes with black Kydex blade cover, and is NOT made in China.

    Total Length 42 in (1.07m) Blade/Handle Length 24in/18in (.61m/.46m) Steel Width 0.25in (6.4mm)
    Weight 4lbs(1.8 kg)
     
  14. BePrepared

    BePrepared

    Aug 26, 2010
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  15. Triton

    Triton Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    Looks pretty close and I'm betting for the right price they would modify the pommel etc. the the OPs specifications. I can't say that I'm horribly impressed with their pieces they aren't my thing, but I am very very impressed with their ability to find a market segment that wanted servicing and filling a gap. Their marketing is also pretty good, they even managed to get a piece on the cover of Blade in this last issue. Kudos to them.
     
  16. SamuraiDave

    SamuraiDave

    Apr 6, 2001
    I'd go pick up a heavy machete something with a weighted front end, or maybe a Cold Steel 2 handed job, put a convex grind on it and see how I liked it first.

    There is something about sticking with a thinner version before you drop the big bucks on the real deal.

    The Condor above looks pretty awesome, although I have no idea what I would do with it, still pretty cool.

    Minimum effort maximum payoff would probably to go machete shopping and mod it to your specifications. It wouldn't be as thick as you want it, but it would be more lively in your hands and less of a clunker.
     
  17. foxx

    foxx

    Sep 5, 2010
    Lighter=faster=higher ZPM's (Zombies per minute) There's always a balance of weight and speed for each person. You need to be able to use it over and over and not get tired too fast, and if you miss you'll need to be able to stop it mid swing. Yet, it needs enough mass out there to cut through your chosen target, without swinging so hard you'll wear yourself out or get off balance.
    I'm interested in the end choice.. keep us posted.
     

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