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Noose cutter

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Peak_Oil, Nov 17, 2011.

  1. Peak_Oil

    Peak_Oil

    554
    Nov 6, 2005
    People frequently attempt to commit suicide by hanging themselves where I work. They are creative with their methods and put a lot of planning and preparation into their attempts. In a rash of recent suicide attempts, one spent six months planning their escape and was successful. I obviously can't get into details about who or how or why, but the fact remains that anything from dental floss to an underwear elastic band to a hoodie pull string can be used, even while lying down, even while someone is watching you live and from less than ten feet away.

    When the moment comes and the noose needs to get cut it NEEDS TO GET CUT, right now. I don't have time to run down the hall, open the locked cupboard, and grab the extremely unsafe seatbelt ripper that I have available.

    I would need to have an object of some kind that can cut through a noose that could be bound with copper wire, could be elastic, could be just a piece of cotton, could be thick or thin, may have a 350lb human being hanging from it or a 120lb human being in an odd yoga position lying in bed, appearing to rest. I would need to be able to deploy it in a moment. It could not be used against me as a weapon, even if you had twenty years to plan a method to grab it from me and fashion an improvised weapon with it.

    What would you make if money was no object? A holster could be part of the equation, and it would have to be able to be used by anyone from a 25 year old wrecking ball moose of a man to a shaky, elderly woman.

    Remember, anything can be taken away from you, so be careful about what you plan on using.

    If the blade could be broken out and fixed to a handle, assume it will be, and that your absolute last choice of a person would have it in his hands three feet from your now disarmed person.

    Assume the user of the noose cutter is a 30 year old, extremely thin and almost anorexic looking, seven month pregnant woman, and the hangee could be absolutely anyone, but would probably be very close to being unconscious.

    What would you use?
     
  2. Bluesummers

    Bluesummers

    656
    May 21, 2011
    All I got from that is an anorexic pregnant woman. Someone should talk with her before she tries helping out someone else.

    Those scissors that advertised by cutting pennies.
     
  3. parbajtor

    parbajtor

    Nov 24, 2010
    Do they have to catch the person as well? :rolleyes:

    I think a steel one piece seat belt cutter with an enlarged slot. Kind of like the Benchmade Rescue Hook 5 but with a bigger slot and the hook turned back even more (so it can't be used to "hook" someone). You could even have a short T bar handle instead of a finger slot. Short so it can't be used as a Kubotan.
     
  4. bladefixation2

    bladefixation2

    Mar 28, 2004
    I'd consider EMT shears personally, I think they would cut more things than a knife, and be less dangerous when used as a weapon. There will always be materials that need specialist equipment to cut though e.g. steel wire. Anything can be used as a weapon though so give your own safety priority over that of a criminal.
     
  5. FlaMtnBkr

    FlaMtnBkr

    Oct 20, 2004
    I would use a branch cutter. The ones with 2 foot handles and a scissors like blade about 3" long. Some of them have a 'blade' that curves at the end and could be slid under the noose material without much risk of cutting someone. The long handles will give a lot of leverage and should be able to go through light wire. If it was taken from you its not razor Sharp and would most likely only used as an impact weapon. They wouldn't be easy to carry around but I assume these people would be locked up and are cheap enough they could be put in multiple locations, possibly in a case like a fire extinguisher.
     
  6. Daniel Dorn

    Daniel Dorn Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 21, 1999
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    Something like this would be my suggestion. Anything large enough to get good leverage for tough materials, e.g. copper wire, zip ties, etc. would be too large to be safe in an attacker's hands.

    This has a blunt face that can get in and around the material without causing any punctures, has a large enough diameter, and offers at least a little leverage. All the pieces are small enough that using it for parts wouldn't offer too many options, unless it is for slicing off fingers, or other appendages.:eek: Just snap off the extra accessories and you should be good to go.
     
  7. hardheart

    hardheart

    Sep 19, 2001
    nothing

    but if I really had to waste my time, I'd probably also go with trauma shears
     
  8. moonwilson

    moonwilson

    Aug 10, 2006
    One of these.
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  9. CWL

    CWL

    Sep 15, 2002
    EMT/Medical shears. $4-6 each and they can cut rough cloth, leather, cords, braided wire and sheet metal. Best thing is that you probably already have them available.

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  10. Peak_Oil

    Peak_Oil

    554
    Nov 6, 2005
    that's what I have, but you could rip a nose, ear, finger, or whatever else you got ahold of with it.

    I was thinking more of a thin titanum carabiner with a short cabon steel blade setup that would be too skinny to catch an ear if things went south.

    Just brainstorming.

    EMT shears would be totally out of the question.
     
  11. CWL

    CWL

    Sep 15, 2002
    Why is that?
     
  12. FortyTwoBlades

    FortyTwoBlades Baryonyx walkeri Dealer / Materials Provider

    Mar 8, 2008
    Yeah if you might have to content with wire then shears are probably the way to go.
     
  13. FortyTwoBlades

    FortyTwoBlades Baryonyx walkeri Dealer / Materials Provider

    Mar 8, 2008
    CountyComm has THESE little guys, even.
     
  14. Shotgun

    Shotgun

    Feb 3, 2006
    And I thought I was the only one that thought it would be a waste of time.

    Sounds like you're going to have to design something.
     
  15. Clang!

    Clang!

    518
    Jul 26, 2010
    Heavy duty scissors of any kind. The aforementioned trauma shears, shop snips, cable cutters, or aviation snips, or if you're really desparate, long handled (2-3 ft) pruning loppers. Just make sure they're sharp so they can cut cleanly through softer materials without bunching up.
     
  16. CWL

    CWL

    Sep 15, 2002
    The OP doesn't want the tool to be taken away by the "suicide" and used against the rescuer.
     
  17. like em sharp

    like em sharp

    280
    Sep 13, 2011
    Benchmade Rescue 5 or 7. The cutting edge is so far recessed in to the cutout slot that it would be extremely difficult to actually hurt someone with it. They also have finger rings instead of standard handles so they're difficult to wrestle away.
     
  18. RevDevil

    RevDevil Super Evil Supermod Staff Member Super Mod

    Nov 9, 2009
    What about the ZT shroud cutter? The bad thing is that when a cord or similar object is used around the neck for strangulation, it pushes the surrounding skin outwards. In other words, the material gets sunken into the skin and sliding a sheepsfoot blade, scissors, or a shroud/line cutter would be almost impossible. The more weight or downward force that is applied the deeper the cord gets.
     
  19. Hadji Flip Me Over

    Hadji Flip Me Over

    674
    Mar 1, 2010
    Sounds to me like you need a new job. Where do you work and what are the conditions like that they drive people to suicide? Is it a prison or something similar? :eek:
     
  20. Chameleonbear

    Chameleonbear

    Aug 14, 2008
    After looking through the local knife shop's online catalog, the thing that I found that would work BEST, although given the situation you're describing nothing will actually completely fulfill your requirements, the Nov8 ResQMe Keychain Rescue Tool would be the best bet.
     

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