The ESEE Warranty Does Not Cover Handles or Sheath

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I recently sent my ESEE 6 in for repair or replacement. A friend threw it and one scale split. It was still usable, so I continued to use it. However, when I attempted to use it in batoning a 2x4 both scales popped off. Since I don't really have the tools, skill, or supplies to fix flared tubes (the screw stripped, and were unusable) I sent it in to have the scales repaired or replaced, or the knife replaced. It seems to me that much of ESEE's success is based on their heavy marketing and reputation of a "No Questions Asked Warranty". Here is the actual text of the warranty:

"If you break it, we will replace it. Warranty is lifetime and transferable. In other words, we warranty the knife no matter how many times it's been traded, sold or given away - no sales receipt or proof of purchase required.

A lot of folks have asked us how we can stay in business offering such great customer service and warranty protection. The answer is simple; we believe that American consumers, as a whole, are honest people. The occasional customers who are dishonest are few and far between, so even if we lose every once in a while due to dishonesty, our reputation of great customer service, regardless of the situation, brings us more good customers.

ESEE KNIVES ARE NOT THROWING KNIVES! They are hardened to a higher Rockwell than throwing knives and will most likely break if thrown, possibly harming the user. So, do yourself and your ESEE knife a favor and DO NOT throw it. Using any knife not meant to be thrown as a throwing knife is idiotic! We would rather idiots not buy our knives.

Note: We do not warranty our 440C Stainless Steel knives from abuse. It should be noted that 440C is not as flexible as our carbon steels. Any excessive flexing will cause the knife to break.

We do not warranty against rust or normal wear and tear. Our carbon steel knives are made from 1095 High Carbon Steel. And while 1095 is a top choice for professional field knives, it will rust and stain if not properly cared for - especially on the cutting edge and around the laser engraving. It is the user's responsibility to keep the blades properly lubricated and cleaned. We suggest a dry film inhibitor such as TUF-GLIDE or TUF-CLOTH. We use a baked on powder coat on all of our coated knives. It is normal for the coating to wear with use.

NOTE: The warranty does not apply to the Lite Machete since the blade of the machete is made by Imacasa in El Salvador. With that said, if you have any issues with the Lite machete, contact us and we will do our best to make it right."

Obviously, it sounds great. They warrant that if you break the knife, they will replace it. To me "the knife" means the whole knife. When you buy an ESEE knife you don't just get the blade and have to supply handle scales yourself. Therefore I think it should be expressed clearly in the warranty that they do not warrant the whole knife, but rather only the blade (the sheath is more understandable, as it isn't attached to the knife). ESEE knives have great designs and superb heat treat but I think, at least for me, much of their business comes from people feeling comfortable thinking that if their ESEE knife fails it will be repaired or replaced. I understand not warranting the handles and sheath, but if they do not warrant a key component of the knife then they should express that clearly in their warranty. This is especially true, and becomes an issue in my mind, when they use an image of a knife that was shot by several different calibers to advertise that their warranty covers any form of damage.

I am not trying to bash ESEE's warranty department, Mr. Perrin was generally courteous despite my messages likely sounding agitated due to disagreeing with his messages. I just know that if I had known that the handles and sheath were not warranted I would have been far less likely to purchase an ESEE 6 over the other knives I was considering for its respective role, and I believe other consumers have the right to know the full details of the warranty for which they are paying.

Again, I emphasize that I am not saying that ESEE knives are not extremely high quality and that their warranty is less than adequate, I just think prospective customers should be aware of the details that are not stated in the espoused text of the warranty.
 
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A friend threw it and one scale split. It was still usable, so I continued to use it. However, when I attempted to use it in batoning a 2x4 both scales popped off. Since I don't really have the tools, skill, or supplies to fix flared tubes

ESEE scales are removable and replaceable. I don't understand what you broke?
 
ESEE scales are removable and replaceable. I don't understand what you broke?

I edited it to be a little more descriptive. When I hit the knife with the baton the scales like popped off, destroying the screws and marring up the holes. The scales were unusable (the tubes part was because that's the only possible way those scales could have been used, at least by my evaluation). Without the scales, being a wide knife, the knife was also rendered mostly unusable.
 
Warranty is not a lottery that rewards thoughtlessness.
But it does reward shooting the knife with a gun? Because that's how they advertise. Also, I'll say again, I'm not saying the warranty is inadequate, I'm saying it should be more clear.

And it does clearly say: "If you break it, we will replace it." That said, I would have been happy with a repair.
 
The knife wasn't broken. Scales are like tires on your car; a consumable item.
Well, that's the whole point of this thread. I'm not trying to say the warranty isn't adequate or the knives aren't high quality, I'm trying to let people know that the warranty doesn't cover the handles. I don't think a majority of customers would assume that when the warranty is worded as it currently stands.
 
Esse can choose to enforce their warranty as they wrote it.
 
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Just to emphasize again: I didn't include a "good" or "bad" tag because the purpose of this thread is education.
 
I think it would be nice and reasonable for ESEE to repair the knife with new scales FOR A CHARGE. Their warranty expressly states NO THROWING and that's how the initial damage occurred. The second and complete failure of the scales could be easily be caused by the first incident and therefore not covered by the warranty as expressed very plainly.

When they state NO THROWING, I think a reasonable person would assume that includes the scales or any other part of the knife, and as such would not be covered under the expressed warranty.

Paul
 
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I think I read something about idiot and throwing in the warranty. Nevertheless, I didn't know the warranty didn't cover the handles either. A sheath I totally get but not the handles. We're only getting one side of the story but perhaps you could have asked them for a more detailed explanation based on how the warranty reads, how they arrived at their decision.
 
I think I read something about idiot and throwing in the warranty. Nevertheless, I didn't know the warranty didn't cover the handles either. A sheath I totally get but not the handles. We're only getting one side of the story but perhaps you could have asked them for a more detailed explanation based on how the warranty reads how they arrived at their decision.

I decided not to post the correspondence because it was pretty one sided as well, mostly my explanation and some reply by Mr. Perrin.

What was basically said was: "HOW you did the damage makes no difference. We simply do not and never have warrantied handles , sheaths it other accessories ."

I do understand that this is in the warranty: "ESEE KNIVES ARE NOT THROWING KNIVES! They are hardened to a higher Rockwell than throwing knives and will most likely break if thrown, possibly harming the user. So, do yourself and your ESEE knife a favor and DO NOT throw it. Using any knife not meant to be thrown as a throwing knife is idiotic! We would rather idiots not buy our knives."

I wish it had not been thrown, but that doesn't change the fact that they advertise their warranty as "no questions asked" and state clearly "If you break it, we replace it."

I, again, would have been ok with a repair (even with a charge for labor or something). I am disappointed that they have decided to return the knife as is after a couple of weeks, without even giving me the option of paying for handles and installing them before return (or at least sending the replacement handles in the same package). I feel that would be the absolute least they should offer to honor their espoused warranty.

And again, the purpose of this thread is to let prospective customers know that the handles will not be repaired or replaced. It is not to comment on ESEE as a company, or on the knives themselves.


SUPER OFF TOPIC:

Mr. Long, I've never really had a context to say so, but your sheaths are just awesome.
 
Warrant verbiage regarding replacing sheaths or scales, and the fact that they aren't handed out for free, ever (regardless of your case, where the damage was caused by an expressly verboten action), could be stated more clearly. This would help them more than anything, because then they could avoid having a discussion about it, which is probably not what any maker wants to be doing with their time.
 
I would make that "friend" buy you a new set of scales. This is why I don't let people use any of my knives anymore. If you don't have your own, too bad!
 
I would make that "friend" buy you a new set of scales. This is why I don't let people use any of my knives anymore. If you don't have your own, too bad!

Edit: I quoted the wrong post

I expressed that I thought it should be. I'll edit this post or make a post with what I said once back on my laptop.
Another BombProof warranty.. that isn't..
If you could pm me on which others you refer to, I would appreciate it.
 
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Well, I somewhat agree that if their warranty does not explicitly say they don't cover the scales, hardware, or sheath/accessories they should have been replaced.

That said there is one big problem here. At the top of their warranty explanation it says:

"Rowen Made ESEE Knives No Questions Asked Warranty:"

Rowen Manufacturing makes the knives, not the scales, not the hardware, and not the sheath, at least I think. So in a technical sense, Esee is correct. They don't need to warrant the scales, hardware, or sheath. I know some particular people might disagree with my "legal" interpretation to this. I don't really care. Talk to Esee.

Other thoughts. I am still confused about what broke. At first it was the scale but it was still usable. Then it was the screws and tubes. But if the hardware had not broke would the scales still be usable? Please clear this up.

I am going to assume it was just the hardware that was made unusable. I know it makes no difference now but I think you would have been better off contacting Esee first and explaining the problem. I can understand why they might seem a bit pissed. That is kind of how they are any way but as we all know shipping a knife is not cheap. Perhaps they would have been more willing to just send a set of hardware out but once they got this supposedly broken knife which was really broken hardware they got more pissed. In fact, in the warranty info it says contact them before you send a knife in. Just a thought.

As to throwing, in their warranty it says you shouldn't throw your knife. It does not say they will not warrant the knife if you break it throwing. Somewhere out their on the interwebs is a forum post from a guy who broke his knife throwing. They sent him a new knife, called him and idiot, and asked him not to buy anymore of their products. These are the kind of people you are dealing with. Frankly, I fine with it.

I most likely would have just bought new scales. I certainly would have contacted them before I did anything. They should make their warranty more clear on the scales, hardware, and sheath/accessories.
 
ALLHSS, thanks for posting your experience. You were very careful not to throw any accusations while simply explaining what transpired. I got three things from your post:

1. Another reconfirmation to NEVER let anyone use my knives (or chainsaws).

2. Other members here seem quick to take the side of a company who's sales are based in large part by a boldly stated warranty, rather than thanking you for passing along your experience.

3. The warranty, which only covers the blade, isn't worth much since TKC sells blades for $43 to $70, while the scales and sheath make up the other roughly 50% of the knife's cost, but aren't covered.

I'm not a business owner, and don't pretend to be one, but I do work with the general public on a daily basis and well understand that a certain percentage of people can and will do very dumb things. If I owned a company that made a consumer product, I'd chose my warranty wording very carefully..................like MOST companies do. ESEE's warranty sounds (reads) boldly, and inspires confidence and sometimes stupidity from its users. But ultimately that wording is the sole responsibility of the ESEE team. If scales and sheaths aren't part of the "No Questions Asked Warranty" then they should stipulate that alongside corrosion and normal blade wear.

These "no BS" type warranties can do wonders for a companies reputation (Leupold scopes come to mind), but the company has to be prepared to back up their claims. Well constructed fixed blade knives are pretty close to foolproof, so a bold warranty should do more for the earnings side of the books than the expense side. But at the end of the day, if that warranty is going to continue building its legendary status (and confidence in its consumers) the company needs to be prepared to back it up, even at a loss, which is a cost loss, not a retail loss. But again to reiterate, I'm not a business owner, just an active consumer.
 
Well, I somewhat agree that if their warranty does not explicitly say they don't cover the scales, hardware, or sheath/accessories they should have been replaced.

That said there is one big problem here. At the top of their warranty explanation it says:

"Rowen Made ESEE Knives No Questions Asked Warranty:"

Rowen Manufacturing makes the knives, not the scales, not the hardware, and not the sheath, at least I think. So in a technical sense, Esee is correct. They don't need to warrant the scales, hardware, or sheath. I know some particular people might disagree with my "legal" interpretation to this. I don't really care. Talk to Esee.

Other thoughts. I am still confused about what broke. At first it was the scale but it was still usable. Then it was the screws and tubes. But if the hardware had not broke would the scales still be usable? Please clear this up.

I am going to assume it was just the hardware that was made unusable. I know it makes no difference now but I think you would have been better off contacting Esee first and explaining the problem. I can understand why they might seem a bit pissed. That is kind of how they are any way but as we all know shipping a knife is not cheap. Perhaps they would have been more willing to just send a set of hardware out but once they got this supposedly broken knife which was really broken hardware they got more pissed. In fact, in the warranty info it says contact them before you send a knife in. Just a thought.

As to throwing, in their warranty it says you shouldn't throw your knife. It does not say they will not warrant the knife if you break it throwing. Somewhere out their on the interwebs is a forum post from a guy who broke his knife throwing. They sent him a new knife, called him and idiot, and asked him not to buy anymore of their products. These are the kind of people you are dealing with. Frankly, I fine with it.

I most likely would have just bought new scales. I certainly would have contacted them before I did anything. They should make their warranty more clear on the scales, hardware, and sheath/accessories.

I want to start off by saying that I am not trying to be contentious or argue with you, I just want to explain and defend my understanding.

Here is the definition of the word "knife" according to Dictionary.com:

"an instrument composed of a blade fixed into a handle, used for cutting or as a weapon."

So, according to definition the handle is part of the knife. I would also point out that no ESEE 6 is sold without handle scales attached, so when you buy the "knife" the handle scales are a key component of your purchase of that unit. The sheath is not included in the definition, and that is why I understand it not being included in the warranty. I would say, considering this, that ESEE is incorrect at least in considering the handle scales not a part of the knife.

So, even that statement "Rowen made knives" should cover the entire knife. If they want the warranty to only cover Rowen made components of the knife then they should state, "ESEE Knives No Questions Asked Warranty on Rowen Made Components".

The knife was thrown. Somehow while being thrown the left (looking down on the spine) scale split/fractured/splintered near the middle of the scale at the butt. It split roughly 2.5" up. It was usuable in the sense that I was able to change my grip on the knife and continue to use it to slice a steak (I think that's what it was, might have been pork, or something). I then attempted to split a 2x4 off of a stump using a baton. When I hit the knife the handle screws popped/stripped and one scale hung on by half a screw and the other fell completely off. Most pieces of the screws were lost. The screw holes were damaged, and I think that the only way to use them would have been to flare tubes. However, the split scale made the handle somewhat dangerous due to the exposed fragments of g10 (this was the green blade, orange handle version). I didn't take any pictures as it seemed extremely clear to me that the knife had failed and been made unusable, and therefore would be under ESEE's "no questions asked" warranty.

The ESEE 6 is around $120 dollars with sheath. Priority shipping (which ESEE requires that customers use to send their knives in for warranty work) is around $7 depending on the box you use. If they were concerned about shipping costs it would be more profitable to give me the option of paying for new scales ($25) and at least sending them in the same package as the knife (to save them shipping costs), if not install them before sending (also saving shipping cost).

I will also add that this knife was well used, not something I took out one time and let it get thrown then broke it like an "idiot", as they say.

Thank you for your level headed comments, I honestly do appreciate them.
 
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