0170-6C. What is it?

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I noticed that Becker (Camillus) uses this type of steel. What is it comparable to? Does anyone know where I can find some specs on it? The Brute looks like an interesting knife.

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Glenn
 
Go to BF knowledge base, FAQ, Steel by Joe Talmadge and READ:
170-6 is => go and look yourself.

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D.T. UTZINGER
 
Actually, I talk about 0170-6 in the FAQ. But I don't discuss 0170-6C in the FAQ -- it is basically a new steel, and we haven't determined yet what modification Camillus made to earn the "C" on the end. If you go to the Camillus forum, you'll see someone asked the same question -- it's an interesting string. Anyway, Camillus refuses to say, so we're stuck with speculation.

In short, even though I don't know what the "C" stands for, just plain old 0170-6 steel (aka 50100-B) is an excellent steel, so I figure 0170-6C will be excellent as well. Just wish I knew what that "C" stood for!
 
At first I thought it might be extra carbon in the mix but 52100 already has around 1%. Has anyone had a chance to test the edge retention on any of the Becker knives?

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Glenn
 
I don't think Camillus can change the name of the steel just because they are the ones using it. I may be wrong though.

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Glenn
 
ZUT: No, assuming you believe Camillus, they say quite clearly that they've added something to 0170-6 to justify the "C". Camillus has been using 0170-6 for years in any case, it'd be strange to suddenly change the name for no reason now.

GF: 0170-6 is 50100B, not 52100, but your reasoning applies anyway. At around 1.00% carbon, I doubt they've added more of that.

It could be that the "C" stands for the element they've added, like cobalt, say. But that's pretty much baseless; after all, the "B" in 50100-B stands for vanadium, so the letter doesn't have to have anything to do with the element added. For all we know, the "C" stands for "changed". I'm not convinced there's any real clues yet as to what's been added.

Joe
 
Joe
recently I read that camillus special orders the steel and the C only stands for camillus I believe it was on a recent forum hear where a exec. from camillus was talking about the Becker Brute.......
Originally posted by Joe Talmadge:
Actually, I talk about 0170-6 in the FAQ. But I don't discuss 0170-6C in the FAQ -- it is basically a new steel, and we haven't determined yet what modification Camillus made to earn the "C" on the end. If you go to the Camillus forum, you'll see someone asked the same question -- it's an interesting string. Anyway, Camillus refuses to say, so we're stuck with speculation.

In short, even though I don't know what the "C" stands for, just plain old 0170-6 steel (aka 50100-B) is an excellent steel, so I figure 0170-6C will be excellent as well. Just wish I knew what that "C" stood for!
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po boy,
If you can track down that quote, I would be very interested in reading it.
Will Fennell was asked in the Camillus forum what the composition of the steel was. While he was very gracious about it, he made no bones about the fact that it was proprietary and they weren't talking. I think that if someone was spilling the beans, he would know about it and let us in on it.

Jim
 
I am going to put forth a number of facts and rumours that I have heard, you can draw any conclusion you want, but I believe you will draw the same one I do.

Fact- Cold Steel recently confirmed, that while Carbon V was not a specific steel in the past, it is now a defined and specific steel that they have made specially for them. But, they will not disclose what it is made of.

Fact- Camillus admits that they make knives for other companies.

Rumour- Camillus makes some of Cold Steels offerings.

Fact to support Rumour- Cold Steel and Camillus both offer a knife that is visually indentical.

Fact- Camillus says that they have a special steel made just for them, but won't tell you what it is.

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Hello everybody!
Rather than look up all the details, I'll say it again....

CAMILLUS and BK&T have used 0170-6 in the past. We at CAMILLUS have ALOT of experience with this steel and with its heat treatment. We wanted to use it again in the re-introduced BK&T line. The mill that made it before no longer produces it. We had to have a special run of steel produced for us. Since we were having it made just for us, we tweaked a FEW components and precentages. Since 0170-6 was originally just a 'trade name' for the alloy, not an official designation, we added the 'C' to the end to signify CAMILLUS. This is because it is our run of steel.

No big secret guys. We really like the steel. Its VERY consistant and clean, and that really helps with high performance heat treat. Try a BECKER, and I think you will like it also. If there are any further questions, come on over to the CAMILLUS forum, and I'll give it my best
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And thanks again for the interest!

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Stay Sharp!
Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery


 
Well, there it is. Mystery solved.
Thank you, Mr. Fennell.
I've got a Brute being put aside for me at my dealers' when they come in. I can hardly wait! The anticipation is prematurely aging me!
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Thanks Will. There is something about the Brute that I keep coming back to. It looks like a wonderful all-purpose knife. I am looking forward to getting one.

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Glenn
 
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