'04 F350, V10. Tell me about it.

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Bought a used truck a couple of days ago. Quite honestly it's more heavy-duty than what I need but the condition is exceptional, it has the engine I wanted, and Wife liked the color. :o

Anyway, what do I need to know about these one-ton V10 trucks?

Any critical maintenance concerns to keep an eye on?

The MOM calls for 87 octane fuel, but regular unleaded around here is 85. Will it matter if I use the 'cheap' stuff, or should I use the mid-range fuel?

Accessories: Anyone recommend some locking storage for the trunk - maybe not a cross-the-rails tool box, but just a bed-mounted locking box for tools etc.? How about a bed-mounted spare tire holder?
 
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Nice truck Bob. The reason your gas is 85 octane is likely the same as it is here - as the altitude increases the octane can be lowered. It shouldn't hurt anything.

I had one of these in steel in my F250. It worked pretty good and would hold a Hi-Lift Jack as well as some tools. I did pay a lot less than the MSRP for it though.
 
Thanks for the box suggestion; that's just the sort of thing I have in mind.
My old truck has a camper shell, so I'd just chuck everything in there. No shell on this 'new' truck, and I don't want one, but I need a place to store odds-and-ends. Tool box, tow straps, jack...

Good to know about the gas too. Nice to save a few pennies on filling up.
 
Be sure to do a recall check, some of the V-10 tritons had bad head gaskets that would cause catastrophic failure (suck coolant into the cylinder then compress it.....) I think it was well before 04, but doesn't hurt to be sure. I've also heard that they tend to run a bit hot making cooling system maintenance that much more important, but I have no first hand experience with that, I only worked on one in two years at the quick-lube.
 
Thanks Gadgetgeek. I'll check into the recalls.
I don't plan on towing anything, so I don't expect any cooling-related problems. Fortunately these trucks have two temp gauges, one for the engine and one for the transmission. Easy to keep an eye out for potential or imminent problems.
 
Looks like only two recalls for the '04 F350 trucks. First one for certain diesel models only, and the second is a generic recall for aftermarket wheel covers that some owners may have installed.

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First fuel economy report is in:

On a 222 mile drive, half of it gravel backroads through the mountains and half of it on paved mountain/canyon highways,

13.3 MPG :thumbup:

Not sure if it'll do better or worse on all-highway trips. On one hand, yesterday's driving was slow-ish, 30-35 on gravel and 45-60 on pavement. On the other hand, the drive was sometimes using lower gears, a lot of up-and-down climbing, and lots of braking for curves.

This truck also has a couple of non-stock features that could be affecting mileage, for better or worse: 18" wheels instead of the stock 16", and there's a K&M air intake.
 
The CAI (Cold Air Intake) lets the motor breathe better so, fuel economy is better. I put a CAI on my Tundra 5.7L and got about a 1/2 MPG improvement in city driving and a little more on the highway.

Your mileage with the Ford V-10 is similar to mine in hilly areas. Acceleration and Deacceleration in hills causes my fuel economy to drop a lot. If you do a flat road or highway, I'm guessing you will see ~16-17MGP.

And thanks for the update on your "new" Ford. I'm looking at possibly a similar second vehicle.
 
I don't remember all the reasons but my step-son was told by his mechanic to try putting premium in his Jeep. He finds that he gets enough improved performance in mileage to more than offset the increased price per gallon.

Might give it a try and see what happens.

Nice looking truck by the way, even if it is a Ford.
 
I'm looking at possibly a similar second vehicle.

This is a heckuva truck, much more truck than I need or than I wanted. Here's a list of "rathers" that might be of interest to you:

What I like about this particular truck:

- Interior cab space
- Interior layout is good, especially the instruments and supercab seating
- Exterior design is excellent/perfect
- bed is spacious, and has tie-downs and bed liner
- features are adequate - power seat on drivers side, power windows and locks, DC player...
- engine is smooth and quiet with plenty of power, even with 20-30% horsepower lost due to elevation
- ground clearance is excellent

Rathers:
- I'd rather have it RED.
- I'd rather it was a 250; one-ton suspension is stiff!
- would rather have captains seating with full center console
- would rather have stick shift, especially for engaging 4WD
- would rather have crew cab - better fit for family
- rather have the upgrade overhead - glasses bins, information screen, etc. This truck has plain interior lights, and no overhead console at all.

Things I'll likely add/change:
- locking storage box in bed
- bed-mounted spare tire holder
- all-terrain tires (when current tires need replacing)
- information panel - outside temperature, compass, etc.
- marker lights on cab (really thought those were cool on the old truck)
- remove remnants of Motorola radio system
 
Nice looking truck by the way, even if it is a Ford.
Uh... thanks. I think... :(

:cool:

I don't have anything against GM trucks. They just don't 'talk' to me.

I did own a Dodge once, and that's a mistake I'll not likely repeat. :grumpy:

We have full-size Toyota Tundras at work. In some aspects they are excellent, in other areas not so great. Overall the Ford SuperDuty trucks seem like a better overall package. No grudges against anyone who prefers the Toyotas, except I wonder what sort of masochist would like their seats. ;)
 
Nice truck Bob. As for the CAI, remember additional air on the intake side requires a little tuning to be used efficiently. Also balance the exhaust for the best gains. If you can find a tuner with data-logging and a dyno, you can increase HP, torque and mileage. For the spare tire, I've had bed mounts before and didn't like them. Seemed the tire was always in the way of putting something big in the bed. On my old K2500 with the 1 ton suspension upgrade, I had a Class III hitch receiver mounted under the front. I had a wench platform and a spare tire carrier that fit into it. With the tire up front I never had any problems with overheating, even when towing. And in the winter it was a snap to pull the spare and insert the wench if needed.
 
Nice truck Bob. As for the CAI, remember additional air on the intake side requires a little tuning to be used efficiently. Also balance the exhaust for the best gains. If you can find a tuner with data-logging and a dyno, you can increase HP, torque and mileage.
The customized air intake was installed by a previous owner, so obviously I have no idea how much fine-tuning accompanied the installation. I suspect the K&N stuff was installed by a motorcycle dealership that last owned the truck, so perhaps they knew what was involved.

What some folks don't realize is that there's a three-way formula involving air intake, fuel intake, and exhaust output. You can't monkey with one without affecting the others. There's a lot of dip- kids around here with fart mufflers blowing out blue smoke...

For the spare tire, I've had bed mounts before and didn't like them. Seemed the tire was always in the way of putting something big in the bed. On my old K2500 with the 1 ton suspension upgrade, I had a Class III hitch receiver mounted under the front. I had a wench platform and a spare tire carrier that fit into it. With the tire up front I never had any problems with overheating, even when towing. And in the winter it was a snap to pull the spare and insert the wench if needed.

On the old truck I kept two spare tires tossed in the back for easy access. But the bed had a locked camper shell too. I'll look into the front-mounted spare. Parents had a truck with spare mounted that way long ago...
 
What some folks don't realize is that there's a three-way formula involving air intake, fuel intake, and exhaust output. You can't monkey with one without affecting the others. There's a lot of dip- kids around here with fart mufflers blowing out blue smoke...

Don't forget the MAF adjustments and especially the timing advance. That is why a computer and a dyno are necessary when tinkering with air. Mess too much not knowing what you are doing, and your A/F leans out too much and voila! Burnt valves. But it's not as bad with Fords. They tend to run pig rich from the factory.
 
Could any mechanic test something like that, or would the truck need to visit a specialist?
 
You need a data-logging computer and dyno to do the fine tuning on air/HP/torque. If you are so inclined to explore this further, find a good custom tuner that knows the truck. Also, do your exhaust work first, as any other little goodies you change later will have an impact on the tune.

But if you're worried about the A/F ratio just because of the installation of the K&N intake, don't be. As I said, without really altering the tune, the intake itself won't make that much difference, and Ford is known for extremely rich A/F settings from the factory.
 
First fuel economy report is in:
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13.3 MPG :thumbup:

:eek: that's 5.6km/litre.... :eek:

in AUD$ terms, at Australian pump prices (~$1.50/litre), that 222 mile trip would have cost me {((222*1.6)/5.6)*1.5 yeah?} so ~AUD$95 on fuel alone. please note i regularly drive upwards of 1,000km/week.

i can't help asking: how badly do you need an engine that big?

especially if you're not regularly towing a six-horse-float or similar.

i'm looking at a 3l TDI Toyota HiLux Dual Cab in the near future and fit it with a GasTek for even better mpg.

i'm not having a go at you, but living in Australia, there is no way i'd want to be footing those kinds of fuel bills.
 
:eek: that's 5.6km/litre.... :eek:

in AUD$ terms, at Australian pump prices (~$1.50/litre), that 222 mile trip would have cost me {((222*1.6)/5.6)*1.5 yeah?} so ~AUD$95 on fuel alone. please note i regularly drive upwards of 1,000km/week.
Topping off the tank after yesterday's drive cost $46. There were three of us, plus a dog, so $15 per person. Sure as heck can't take a bus or train ride for $15, even if those things were available. Even taking three motorcycles at 50mpg would have cost more.

My commute now is only 2 miles each way. I drive home at lunch, so that's 8 miles per day that I really need to drive. The cost difference of a 30mpg vehicle and a 13 mpg vehicle over the distance of 8 miles is insignificant. Maybe someone can do the math - that's not really my thing. ;)

But if the fuel prices return to near $4/gallon I'll be driving the S2000 more often, that's for sure. Not that I'll mind... :)

i can't help asking: how badly do you need an engine that big?
Well you should learn a little about the local driving conditions and the truck.

First off, the truck itself is very heavy. Takes quite a bit of power just to get rolling, even when not loaded. Also the '04 year model has 'only' 310hp; the engine was upgraded in '05 to 360hp. For comparison my Honda has 240 hp and weighs less than half as much.

Also these trucks rev very low, are often geared low, and have a strong torque rating. A 300hp truck is nothing like a 300hp car...

Second, the roads. Speed limit here is 75mph, most traffic travels at 78-ish (120 kilometers per hour). The local elevations range from 6,000' to over 10,000' (3000 meters), which sucks away horsepower at the rate of 3% per 1000', resulting in a 20-30% total power loss. The incline on the small local pass is 3%-6%, and continues for ten miles on either side of the apex (other mountain roads in the region are much steeper, longer, and higher).

So a 6% grade lasting ten miles, vehicles expected to maintain 75mph, and factoring in a 20+% horsepower loss... not for weak truck engines. ;)

Vehicle availability is also a major factor. Yep, I likely could have gotten by with the V-8 and a 3/4 ton truck, but they simply weren't available. 90% of the 250/350 models are diesel, and most of the remaining 10% are V10 gasoline. Not sure the V-8 would have gotten much better mileage anyway; my '94 V-8 F150 got the same 13mpg highway.

especially if you're not regularly towing a six-horse-float or similar.
Well, no I rarely tow or haul anything heavy enough to justify the one-ton suspension. I do occasionally carry large loads, but not seriously heavy. In fact I wish I could have found an acceptable 250 truck (see my "rather" list above).

i'm looking at a 3l TDI Toyota HiLux Dual Cab in the near future and fit it with a GasTek for even better mpg.
Try to fit a 4x8 sheet of drywall or plywood in the back of that.
Blueboard comes in 4'x12' sheets. How far would that hang out the back of a HiLux bed? :)
Fifty-pound bags of plaster? Livestock feed? Load of firewood? Lumber? Hay bales?
Not that I haul of those things all of the time, but I haul some of those things some of the time. And need to do it while maintaining a reasonable speed given the previously listed driving conditions...

i'm not having a go at you, but living in Australia, there is no way i'd want to be footing those kinds of fuel bills.
I was told by a fellow there that buying a new Ford truck in Australia would cost close to $100,000 after paying the purchase price, import fees, and cost of customizing the truck for wrong-side driving. :eek:

Ah, you guys can afford it. I've been to Australia and seen the prices of things there, and know how much money guys there make. Guys I talk to can't believe how little Americans earn:
The average full-time male wage (excluding overtime) in Australia is A$69,233 per annum
Median per capita income in Raton, New Mexico is $18,000/year.

The average price of a home in Sydney is $800,000. If you can afford that, you can afford a lousy $95 for gas. :D

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p.s. In case anyone is unfamiliar with Australian 'trucks': Rented a large van (known in America as a MiniVan) to haul some lightweight equipment. The turd could barely make it up the low hills outside of Sydney, despite the agonizingly low speed limits and near-sea-level elevation. Thought we were going to have to get out and push... :(

There are very few 'real' trucks in Australia, mostly "Utes", which are Ford Focus type cars with miniature truck beds on the back and roo guards on the front. Think Chevy El Camino. A few of the Utes have flatbeds, and some have sportscar performance engines.
Lots of crossover-style cars too, and sedans.
A few small trucks and SUVs in the working towns, many done up for back country travel, equipped with off-road tires, snorkel kits, etc. Neat recreational vehicles, but not much cargo space.

I did see a Ford SuperDuty truck once, 250 or 350, at a donut shop or McDonalds. Guess who was driving? A young mother with a small child. :D
 
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