1 Person with 2 Social Security Numbers. Fraud?

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I can't go into details, but I suspect a person of a particular type of fraud. One of the things I have discovered about this person, is that he has two different Social Security numbers.

For me, this just deepens my suspicions. Is it even legal to have two SS numbers? Is there a possible legal reason for two numbers? Help!
 
Are you sure that they are both SSN's? Some folks also have a 9 digit ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) that they can use instead of an SSN when the SSN is requested.
 
Witness protection. If it gets out that you know about it and he disappears its probably the case or that he has something to hide like that he stole someone's ID or something like that.

Even when a child born to your wife, who married again and then had the step father adopt that son, the social security stays the same from one name to the other.

Sometimes one can be a spouses SSN or a child under the same name. Not everyone uses Jr.


STR
 
Yep. I'm sure. A person with legal access to his records confirmed this guy has two different SS numbers. The person says it's quite common for impostors to do this, and he's found one guy that had twelve different SS numbers. If the guy I suspect is indeed a fraud, I want to make sure he gets nailed for it. His having two SS numbers is unrelated to this particular fraud as far as I know, but it certainly adds to my suspicions about him. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, though. That's why I want to know if there could possibly be a valid or legal reason for it.
 
STR said:
Sometimes one can be a spouses SSN or a child under the same name. Not everyone uses Jr.
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It's not a Jr. issue. The birth dates for both SSN match. He won't get nailed (if he's indeed guilty) on the basis of two SS numbers. It just makes me more curious and more motivated.
 
Pure speculation here... Maybe he, himself, was the victim of identity fraud in such a manner that he got issued a new SSN? I have mine memorized, and if I were assigned a new one, I'm sure that I would screw up and occasionally forget to give my new one for quite sometime... Are they both active?

Or is he working 'undercover'? LOL... Hope not if he gave out both. Witness Protection would be another guess, like above... But not good to be giving the old one.
 
Jaxx said:
Pure speculation here... Maybe he, himself, was the victim of identity fraud in such a manner that he got issued a new SSN? I have mine memorized, and if I were assigned a new one, I'm sure that I would screw up and occasionally forget to give my new one for quite sometime... Are they both active?

Or is he working 'undercover'? LOL... Hope not if he gave out both. Witness Protection would be another guess, like above... But not good to be giving the old one.
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Hmm.

There are a number of reasons for two SSNs. Some of the speculation I see here can be accurate.

Best be very careful to accuse ... best be very sure you are correct, since it's not always the sign of a con artist.
 
I'll be careful with what I say-- but here goes...

A particular person has been outed for being a fake Navy SEAL. This particular person has also claimed that the two SSN guy was his SEAL buddy. Two SSN guy was never a SEAL. I'm pretty sure he too has claimed SEALdom, though, but haven't been able to prove it. For now, I only know he has two SSNs, and is a close friend to a proven fraud, and the proven fraud has claimed both were SEALs.

I am already in touch with the right people, and they've helped a great deal. Things are still unfolding. It's just that the two SSN thing is really pushing me to think he is just as dirty as his rotten friend.
 
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Aaargh!! :mad:

I'd best bow out of this Thread.

I had a very long military career -- and this issue is something I always get emotional about. And not in a good way. :mad:

If I can't be objective, I'd best just stand aside.
 
CYA
stay clear.... if legitimate- things will clear out, if not- CYA
if his/her associates are very suspect.... CYA
usually people associate with the same type that they are.....

sorry
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OldPhysics said:
Aaargh!! :mad:

I'd best bow out of this Thread.

I had a very long military career -- and this issue is something I always get emotional about. And not in a good way. :mad:

If I can't be objective, I'd best just stand aside.
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OldPhysics- if you want to know more about the case-- PM me. You'll REALLY be mad when you know the details. I'm furious, and smelling blood. They will both get what they deserve.
 
As edgreywolf says, cover your butt. I'd suggest creating a word document, a simple time-line, and make note of who you talked to & when, why you're suspicious, etc.,and put in as much detail as possible. Exposing a fraud is one thing, but having someone (even if they are a fraud) come back and sue you because you revealed private info about them wouldn't be pleasant. I read an article two years ago where that happened, the "fraud" sued the "exposer" to make the "exposer" stop talking about him, then the "fraud" carried on as before, in another part of the state. With the Stolen Valor Act now in place, I think you'd be protected, but who knows what one of these guys might try.

Here's a couple of links to some folks who can provide some good info, in case you haven't contacted them yet: http://www.veriseal.org/about.html and http://www.stolenvalor.com/. I don't vouch for either of these sites, but they do have some good info & resources.

thx - cpr
 
Could be a novel way to treat multipersonality disorder?!


There are numerous ways this could be explained. We have systems with a national Id, drivers id, passport etc and we give all to the Bank on opening accounts. The reason that we have that system is that you can, possibly fake one but you would need to do all at once to get away with it and that takes serious planning.

If the dude has more than one identity code where he should be only having one tread very carefully. He is clever enough to obtain a second/3rd identity and it is not likely he did so for good reason and he will be keeping a close look out.

Planned fraud usually exploits an opening or weakness and seeks a screen between himself and the investigation. If this guy isn't the dude doing the fraud then the guy doing it may well be aware that you will look first to the guy with the red flag and when you do, cover his tracks or run.

Had something similar last year and admin couldn't have made the investigation more public had he stood naked in the reception chanting the issues. The thief covered tracks and found a job elsewhere months before the investigation focused on her.
 
Fraud at the least. More serious crimes than StolenValor are likely going on, especially if the second SSN belongs to another person.
 
Pictures? Discovering that there is something ugly happening at your proverbial front door is like going out barefoot in the morning to get the paper and the squidgy warm feeling between your toes, finding that your pooch has just been there and done something.
 
I worked for years in positions investigating people, including looking up credit reports, SSNs, and other (non-public) info, and found quite a few people with multiple SSNs associated with them, as well as SSNs that were associated with different people's names. Some of them were people perpetrating fraud using multiple SSNs, some were victims of identity theft (that they may not have even known about), and some were likely typos, when someone somewhere entered the wrong digit into some computer database and it got saved that way. Sometimes it was easy to tell what was going on from the information I had access to, and sometimes it was almost impossible.

All I can say is document all the info you have found and the source for all of that info, and see what conclusions you can reasonably draw from it.
 
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