100 to spend on "wet" stones.

Shotgun · Nov 29, 2015

LONG STORY LONG!:

For the longest time I've stropped to keep my edge going and I've had good results. However they weren't great results. A few years ago Mr. Marchand typed something in passing about edges heating up. (Yeah. My brain is a slow churner.

) Anyway, one day I picked up my spyderco sharp maker stone and touched up with that. I got better results. Thinking there may be something to it, I want to try water stones. So now I want a water stone system just to suss it out really. What I need is a "water" setup. What I want is a fine and extra fine diamond(or harder/equivalent) bench stone, stone holder, and I'm guessing a Rubbermaid to hold/support the stone. Anyone have a setup like that for about 100?

LONG STORY SHORT:

A good fine and ultra fine diamond bench stone plus holder for 100?

Claes · Nov 30, 2015

Morning,

Does it have to be a wet system?
If not: how about taking a trip to Darex in Ashland, OR,
to see if their Work Sharp Guided System (incl the Upgrade kit)
would suit you?

Have fun!
Claes

Jason B. · Nov 30, 2015

You want a "wet" setup but your asking about diamond stones?

You do know they are mostly used dry?

The setup you are asking for is ideal for Japanese waterstones. I would recommend the Shapton pro 1k and 5k.

OldNavy · Nov 30, 2015

Basic counter top set-up, Cambro tub to hold water homemade bridge. You can get by using a rag to keep stones from sliding around.

then just pick up a couple of stones!

droptrd · Nov 30, 2015

Dmt 6" double sided diasharp fine/extra fine $50-60. Stone holder $15-20.

Shotgun · Nov 30, 2015

Jason B. said:
You want a "wet" setup but your asking about diamond stones?

You do know they are mostly used dry?

The setup you are asking for is ideal for Japanese waterstones. I would recommend the Shapton pro 1k and 5k.

I want diamond or harder to make quick work of harder steels. Can they not be used wet? I'm a total newb to diamond stones.

mycough · Nov 30, 2015

Shotgun said:
I want diamond or harder to make quick work of harder steels. Can they not be used wet? I'm a total newb to diamond stones.

Nothing harder than diamond that I know of. Yes, you can use them wet.
Russ

Camber · Dec 1, 2015

Yes, you can and should use the diamonds wet. It will help with loading, and also help to keep the apex cool, even if on a very microscopic level.

Just because they are rarely used wet is besides the point in my opinion. The better question is what is the argument for using them dry? What benefits does it pose? In an industrial setting, the idea of using diamonds without lubrication would be pretty ridiculous.

You might want to look at the offerings from Tools from Japan. I'm not sure what you mean by fine and ultrafine? Because the DMT fine and extra fine are still relatively coarse. Something comparable to the Spyderco stones? I've heard the DMT extra extra fine and medium extra fine suffer from inconsistency (some large particles).

mycough · Dec 2, 2015

Camber said:
Yes, you can and should use the diamonds wet. It will help with loading, and also help to keep the apex cool, even if on a very microscopic level.

Just because they are rarely used wet is besides the point in my opinion. The better question is what is the argument for using them dry? What benefits does it pose? In an industrial setting, the idea of using diamonds without lubrication would be pretty ridiculous.

You might want to look at the offerings from Tools from Japan. I'm not sure what you mean by fine and ultrafine? Because the DMT fine and extra fine are still relatively coarse. Something comparable to the Spyderco stones? I've heard the DMT extra extra fine and medium extra fine suffer from inconsistency (some large particles).

DMT has come a long way with grit consistency. I have atoma and dmt and I feel dmt has caught up in the finer plates, and they are American made.
Some times the feed back on the atoma plates bothers me also.
Russ

Camber · Dec 2, 2015

Good to know mycough. I have up to the 1200 in DMT and have no problems. I've never used any of their finer offerings, just seen some posts about the inconsistency. From what I can tell, the inconsistency too was only a concern if you were truly going for that polished edge, like if you're into sharpening like that. For use it seemed like it wouldn't be an issue.