1095 and O-1

What are the differences between these two steels? I hear 0-1 is really forgiving...is 1095 also. I use 1095 because it is a lot cheaper than anything out there except leaf springs and tie rods. Is 1095 good for performance compared to 0-1 or A-2?
Also, When i have heat treated 1095 on some of my earlier knives, I noticed burn marks on the surface of the blade. the burn pattern looked kinda like damascus. Is this cause by getting the metal to hot . What causes the grain structure to grow in steel?
thanks again
Luke
 
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O1 and 1095 are about the same with respect to carbon content -- both contain around .95 percent carbon. 1095 is a plain carbon steel with no significant alloying elements. O1 by contrast contains about .50 percent chromium and depending on the manufacturer, may contain molybdenum, vanadium, and tungsten. Performance wise, both do a respectable job if the heat treating is done properly.

The funny look in the steel that you describe sounds like banding. I am assuming that you are forging your blades. Undesirable banding and grain growth can both be fixed by normalizing the steel after forging.

Normalizing is done by taking the steel to slightly above critical then allowing it to cool in still air. There is NO soak time on this. After the forging process a couple of things exist. One is grain growth assuming you are forging above the austenizing temperature. The other is a non-uniform composition throughout the steel. That is, one area may have more carbon than the area adjacent to it. Noramlizing allows the carbon to diffuse evenly thoughout the ferrite matrix, and on the slow cooling reduces the grain structure, rendering a more homogeneous piece of steel that will repond much better to the heat treatment. Most smiths that I know do the normalizing heat three times.

Remember, if the steel is crap going into the hardening phase, it will still be crap after quenching -- just harder crap.

If I'm not being clear on this I recommend that you read Kevin Cashen's excellent article on Sword Forum Magazine. The URL is:
http://swordforum.com/metallurgy/ites.html

If you want to compare the chemical composition of various steels, I suggest that you look at the chart on my site, which has the compositional specs for about 50 different steels. The URL is:
http://www.shreve.net/~primos/steelcmp.htm
 
I dont have the answer too your question, but i was wondering what 1095 was? does anyone know the werkstoffnummer for it?
Ex. O-1 has 1,2510 and D-2 has w-nr. 1,2379
But i dont have it for 1095.

I hope you can help.

Thanks.



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I don't know European designation for 1095, but it is simple carbon steel. .95% Carbon and .4% manganese (remainder iron).
 
Luke,
I just re-read an earlier response that I left to your post and feel very bad about the way I worded some of it. I was being "cute" when I said:

"Remember, if the steel is crap going into the hardening phase, it will still be crap after quenching -- just harder crap."

I just realized that I may have left you with the impression that I was saying your blades were crap. I promise that there were no subtle implications in that statement, but if I did offend you, I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize in front of the entire forum.

What I should have said is that after forging, various problems exist in the steel that need to be addressed. A series of careful thermal treatments such as normalizing and annealing will refine the grain structure. It is necessary to achieve this fine grain structure prior to hardening.

Terry Primos http://www.shreve.net/~primos
 
Terry,
Thank you very much for responding to my questions and telling me about the normalizing process.
As far as that one statement, don't worry about it. I didn't even take it that way so it's alright. It is true though....a good grain structure is really important so thanks again.
You may not realize it but i email about a week ago under the name Dolen Freeouf(my dad) I appreciate you answering my questions on bladesmithing and heat treating.I hope to be in contact with you in the future.
Thanks again Terry and all the guys that wrote back,
Luke
 
Hey Luke!
Yes, I do remember the email. I wish that I had started out as a younger man like you've decided to do. If I had, I'd probably be a pretty good bladesmith by now.

I'm glad I didn't offend you. Lots of old farts (can I say that here?) like me have those times where we say something then think, "Wait a minute, what am I saying?"

The other day at work, a young lady came through our department and asked if her new dress made her look fat. One of my co-workers (intending to compliment her) said, "Not at all. You don't look near as big in that one". Boy, that went over real well.

 
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