"11 YCS Karda with some sheat modifications

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Yo, khukuriacs!

I took delivery of a DOTD YCS Karda and I thought I'd show some pics, explain the simple modifications that I did with the sheat and give my perspective on this knife.

Since I started hanging around on this forum and I've been taken with the looks of the YCS khukuri and it's appendages, the lovely kardas. Since I've decided to switch from stainless steel to carbon steel knifes as my main users (I somehow feel they get sharper and that the steel is easier to work with, for instance hammering out dings) and I really only have one "proper" belt knife besides of cheap moras so I had to get one of the "standalone" YCS kardas when the opportunity presented itself :D

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This YCS Karda is precisely "11 long and weighs in at 12oz (330 grams) and made by Vim. A few strokes using the sandpaper/mouse strategy and then a little stropping brought the edge up to the usual "HI sharpness". The point of balance is exactly on the kami mark and the knife feels very lively in the hand. If you drop the grip down to the last (thickest) part of the handle between the thumb and index finger, the balance of course changes drastically and actually it doesn't chop bad for it's size and weight. Fit and finish was good, but the two slices of wood are not perfectly equal in size/thickness. Nothing you notice when holding it and quite frankly it feels great in the hand :) The blade itself is pretty much perfect without discernable hammer marks. Some really, really powerfull wacks into dry, hard wood produced no marks or dents in the edge. I'm not going to etch this blade so I got no idea about hardening, it feels hardened all the way along the edge though, based on my experience sharpening it.

Such a nice, curvy shape!
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I have a feeling the kamis don't know the term "nimble spine" :D
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I sanded the handle a little bit, giving it smoother edges and removing the original treathment because it was somewhat rough. Later I treated it with several penetrating layers of turpentine heavy beeswax and then a couple of top coats of Liberon black bison "antique wax" - a wax with a high content of carnuba wax (smells incredibly nice) which is harder/stronger when dried and a much higher melting point than most other waxes meaning it wont get sticky in your hand. This still isn't as durable nor as potentally super shiny as a proper oil treatment, but it looks and feels ok, gives good protection against moisture and is very quick to apply (and reapply). In my climate and for my use this is perfectly adequate. The antique wax of dries completely in 15 minutes to an hour and you just polish it with a piece of soft cloth.

The sheat is a quite basic stacked leather one with a way too loose push button retainer thingy around the handle through the frog. I quickly removed it as it isn't really necessary and the knife draws quicker and easier without it. The frog is the weak point of this sheat, being made by low quality "papery" leather. The edges of the sheat where you can see the stacked leather haven't been treated in any way, thus are likely to "suck" water. Hence, I wanted to improve the frog and also do something to the sheat edges.

The edges I glued with quickdrying superglue, normal cyanoacrylate. I used a low viscosity variety, but this isn't required. I think pretty much any glue can be used for this purpose, I just choose cyanoacrylate because it's clear (not yellowish as epoxy) and dries very quickly, especially when you sprinkle it with baking soda. As soon as the glue was dry I sanded it to get it smoother, then applied more glue, let it dry and sanded it again. After 3-4 "layers" I did the final sanding and then polished it up on a drill with a polishing disc and some green compound. The end result is a clear, hard and glassy and durable finish that is easy to touch up whenever needed. The amount of "glassyness" can be improved with more layers of glue and carefull sanding. It also strengthens the sheat considerably and makes it stiff as the leather and glue forms a lamiate. It'll never fall apart, lest I'm not carefull and slice it with the knife. Well worth an hour or two of work.

The original frog cannot be removed without disassembling the sheat, and even then probably not without damage to the leather, something I did not want to do (lazy). So, I found a couple pieces of thin, good quality leather (from an old jacket actually) in my leather scraps bag, cut them to rough size and glued one piece to the inside of the frog covering the "bend". Another piece went on the outside of the from following it all the way. After some cutting, cursing and sanding the fit was more or less ok, albeit rough. I then did a similar treatment as I did to the edges of the sheat itself. I only did a couple layers of glue and some light sanding before a quick polish though. Don't look too pretty and certainly not as smooth as the sheat, but durability was my goal and I mainly wanted to get rid of any sharp edges caused by the hard glue.

Backside. The frog wasn't originally completely straight on, my glued leather just follows the old. My less than perfect leather cutting technique doesn't help either (damn hard to cut it when you can't lay it on a flat surface) ;)
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In this shot you can clearly see the much stronger frog and also the finish of the sheat edges. Pretty round and no sharp edges. I think the glassy laminate look is acceptable. I considered dying the edges first for a completely black look, but I decided it was just more hassle and not necessary on a user that'll get beaten about.
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Final comments? Well, as soon as I held this knife in my hand I knew it'll be one of if not the main user standard belt knife of mine, perhaps for the rest of my life (I need to get my hands on an R-10 before I make the final decision :D ). It is virtually unbreakable and even the sheat will live for a long, long time now. Even if the sheat looks a little cheap perhaps, it rides very well on the hip and I find the frog has the perfect placement/height compared to the weight of the knife. The size and weight of the knife itself is near perfect, not too large to be impractical but heavy enough for solid wacks. It carries very easily and handles nimbly enough for fine work.

Thanks for reading!

Mac
 
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Well done! Thanks for the report on this knife and the work you did.

I've never tried it, but Yvsa was a big fan of superglue finish on wood...I don't recall ever seeing it being applied to leather before, but it seems like a good idea to toughen and stiffen up the paper thin sheaths on the non-khukri knives from HI.
 
Well done! Thanks for the report on this knife and the work you did.

I've never tried it, but Yvsa was a big fan of superglue finish on wood...I don't recall ever seeing it being applied to leather before, but it seems like a good idea to toughen and stiffen up the paper thin sheaths on the non-khukri knives from HI.

Thank you!

Well, I've seen sheats that had the edges treated in various ways, but I'm not really sure how it's normally done. I do however know from previous endeavours that cyanoacrylate or expoxy glue + leather is an incredibly strong and hard combination usefull for many purposes. The disadvantage and sometimes advantage is the loss of flexibility - it'll be stiff, but cyanoacrylate perhaps less so than expoxy (can be brittle) when bonded to a soft material. After all it develops into a polymer when the chemical reaction kicks in and behaves quite similar to certain kinds of plastic.

I've never tried a superglue finish on wood, but in many ways it should be quicker and easier than layer upon layer upon layer with oil which really takes a long time to get right if you want the glossy, glasslike finish. I need to research this! I don't think cyanoacrylate based glue is the best choice though, due to the drying times. You'd kill a lot of cheap small paintbrushes for sure and such glues are not very fun to work with (gasses/smell released when drying, spillage etc.) ;) I'm really fond of expoxy and super glue though, amazing materials you can do so much with. With super glue, some paracord, a needle and duct tape you can repair almost anything when on a hike or simply at home and it don't take much room at all! :-)

Mac
 

Thanks, that got me started :) Googled it too and it's looks pretty straight forward. Gonna do some testing on some pieces of wood, but I'm thinking that first impregnating the wood with a few layers of turp'd BLO/Tung oil, letting it cure for a week and then use some layers of super glue as a top finish is the way to go. Alternatively just try it on a already oiled and cured karda/chakma handle and see where I'm at. Main issue will be ventilation and putting it on more or less smoothly. Sanding just takes patience and time ;) At least I'm not allergic to the fumes given off by curing cyanoacrylate (yet..) like some people are.

Mac
 
I have always wanted to try this style knife too, the Karda type. From reading your review of the Himalayan Imports 11" YCS Karda it is one beefy, tough knife. I like that but just can at this time buy one because I have toooooooooooo many 4" and 5" Knives :o. Thanks to you Mic I can now start gifting them away and in a year or so will be able to buy this pretty neat knife type :thumbup:.
 
Thanks, that got me started :) Gonna do some testing on some pieces of wood, but I'm thinking that first impregnating the wood with a few layers of turp'd BLO/Tung oil, letting it cure for a week and then use some layers of super glue as a top finish is the way to go. Alternatively just try it on a already oiled and cured karda/chakma handle and see where I'm at. Main issue will be ventilation and putting it on more or less smoothly. Sanding just takes patience and time ;) Mac

I might have missed one of the earlier postings by people who've done this, but wouldn't impregnating the wood with tung oil or some other oil make it harder to get a good bond with the top coat of super glue?

I was planning to lightly sand a handle to take off any prior gloss before applying the super glue.

-- Dave
 
I might have missed one of the earlier postings by people who've done this, but wouldn't impregnating the wood with tung oil or some other oil make it harder to get a good bond with the top coat of super glue?

I was planning to lightly sand a handle to take off any prior gloss before applying the super glue.

-- Dave

Well, I googled around and found various forum posts and blogs where people had done stuff in this general direction. I don't know how well CA will bond with a thick polymerized layer of for instance tung oil on top of the wood but to my experience once such treatments have hardened and cured properly you can ad almost anything on top. It will however probably bond better on wood just impregnated but not deeply coated with oil and even better if the wood is naked and sanded with a medium grit like 180-320, but this I really don't know for sure. It might be that the structural strenght of the glue itself is more than enough for a knife handle. I see people have used CA on top of BLO/Tung oil and it hardened and gave a great finish, but how strong is the attachment to whatever is underneat the glue? Hard to tell, but remember that even medium grit sanded and then oiled wood (not to high gloss of course) is rarely completely "flat", it's got grain, pores and there's traces after sanding. If you went down to a microscopic enlargement level the wood would be a landscape of canyons and ravines. A lot of places for glue (and other treatments) to take hold.

The safest bet is however as you suggest to go with a few thin turpentine/Tung oil layers that penetrate, let dry thouroughly, a light sanding on top with say 320, clean off the dust and then start applying the glue.

Mac
 
I have always wanted to try this style knife too, the Karda type. From reading your review of the Himalayan Imports 11" YCS Karda it is one beefy, tough knife. I like that but just can at this time buy one because I have toooooooooooo many 4" and 5" Knives :o. Thanks to you Mic I can now start gifting them away and in a year or so will be able to buy this pretty neat knife type :thumbup:.

Well we need to keep the kamis busy! :D

My only little niggle with this knife is that it's more of a skinning type of knife than a traditional scandinavian utility knife roughly along the lines of the pukko, the moras and so forth. I generally prefer blades that are narrover with a longer and less steep edge curve towards the point. This because they are better for gutting fish and fine work (the only thing I hunt is the dust bunnies that seem to breed exponentially in every nook and cranny of my apartment). Of course, due to the edge geometry the Karda is a good cutter/slasher so it will go through mostly anything and it'll gut a fish just fine. Filleting however, probably not as easily ;)

An example of the blade shape I grew up with and think of as one of the better allround ones (but much more boring and less aesthetically pleasing than the karda :D ), borrowed the shot from Helle (link to their knife "library"), a high quality norwegian knife manufacturer.
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Mac
 
Can I use Locktite Superglue to achieve the Laminate effect yo got on your sheath edges or only regular Superglue?
 
Can I use Locktite Superglue to achieve the Laminate effect yo got on your sheath edges or only regular Superglue?

Probably, it's cyanoacrylate too. You'll have to start small though and figure out how much you can paint at the time lest the glue dry on you. Glues with a long hardening time (45s seem to be the most common slow-drying CA) means more time to smear it out evenly. Locktite is pretty quickdrying but if you dont do so much in each squeeze from the tube or bottle you should do ok.

Mac
 
This may be a sin to mention but kydex and a little time w/ an oven makes a quick, durable sheath, if you wanna fool w/ all the little doo-hickey brads, attachments, etc.

Need to find a good source for that stuff when I order my 22 inch CAK...That'll be an infrequent user colletors replacement for an axe on my part. Don't want anything drawing water on that big boy for sure.

I often carry a CS SRK as a karda, serves well as an emergency chakma, since steel is significantly harder.

Great leather work.. if im gonna go that far, i just stop by the saddle shop for some 1/4 in. oak sole leather and go from there though.
 
This may be a sin to mention but kydex and a little time w/ an oven makes a quick, durable sheath, if you wanna fool w/ all the little doo-hickey brads, attachments, etc.

Need to find a good source for that stuff when I order my 22 inch CAK...That'll be an infrequent user colletors replacement for an axe on my part. Don't want anything drawing water on that big boy for sure.

I often carry a CS SRK as a karda, serves well as an emergency chakma, since steel is significantly harder.

Great leather work.. if im gonna go that far, i just stop by the saddle shop for some 1/4 in. oak sole leather and go from there though.

Yeah, a sheat is really not that hard to make, at least for smaller blades like this karda. A really nice sheat however, demands skill and patience :D I just use what I have at hand for my many little practical projects and I very often reuse or modify stuff. This both due to financial reasons but also because I want to experiment, play and learn to improvise using what is around. Kydex is interesting, but I don't like how kydex sheats tend to be pretty wide (albeit slim), although there are ways around that. I am got to try kydex some day, I could really use it for a lot of different things... If you ever make a kydex sheat for a "22 CAK you must show that sheat on these forums! :)

Mac
 
Brother, I may need smoke, prayers, time in a sweat lodge and 10 hrs o' preachin'(possibility of language I refuse to use here!!) after i source out the matls. and finally get it together, but believe me, if I can get a hunk o' kydex to look and fit right on that water buffalo dispatching unit, you'd better know they'll be pics of it here.

BTW: Mine'll be s substitute axe 4 Yellow pine...jeeesssh thats hard wood!! If i ever rehandle a khukuri, thats 1st on the list.

I just dont wanna upset anyone though. The kamis make a darn good sheath 4 the money. A little dye, time, shoe polish is all mine ever needed.

I cant say the same 4 other organic sheathes by other makers xcept 4 BUCK.

I gotta CS GURKA KUKURI w/ a kydex monstrosity of a sheath...I can only imagine...cause theres a BIG difference in a sheath 4 a kukuri and a KHUKRI, thats 4 dang sure.
 
Great work and pix, thank you for sharing
 
For whoever might be interested in this knife, I've now used it extensively over the last few weeks, most recently on a four-day hike in the Tafjordfjella (800 moh+) in the northwestern part of Norway.

Bottom line is that this is a sturdy, practical and comfortable user knife with an amazingly sharp and durable edge and ooohmp enough to do ligth chopping. It does very well for various camp and cabin tasks. It is not the best knife for gutting fish, but if you're used to gutting it does ok. For all but the most needle-tip type wood and food related tasks it works very well. Several people we met on the hike commented on the knife, although few where able to appreciate the combination of a hand-made knife of carbon steel plus the stout nature and amazing edge of it - they don't quite understand what you can do with it. I think mainly that is because it's kind of big compared to the traditional Norwegian knife types, hence a wee bit of "Rambo". However, those that used it where amazed by the ease it cuts through things and handles.

I can very well see me using this knife for a do-it-all for outdoor stuff. On an extended hikes however, having a "15 AK/BAS or something similar is very handy too, but of course it ads weight and bulk.

So, to sidetrack just a little bit, a couple of shots from the area we were in.

My brother and self appointed tour-guide not quite all that enthusiastic over the weather and fishing luck.
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An old mountain pasture with, as they say, location location location! :)
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Me (right) and my brother (and someone elses backpacks) in front of the self-service cabin "Vakkerstøylen" (altitude 870m/2854ft) were we made base camp, an old building with a history stretching back to the 19th century. Comfort level ranges at a mattress to sleep on, a cooking stove, fireplace, cold water and a pit privy plus a generous selection of canned and dried food to select from (you write up everything you buy and the owner, the national tourist association send the bill - trust based system common in Norway). It was moved to and reassembled at the present location in 1929 or so, before receiving certain upgrades over the years. Getting there on foot means a three-hour hike over old scree in the slopes down to the valley floor with muddy marsh on top of it. Basically you're jumping from rock to tussock to rock to get there (in the rain) half the length of the trail. Not steep, just treacherous footing for a crazy blind bugger like me that can only focus on a very very small area of the trail at the time (I'm severely vision impaired) :D Great landscape though!
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Mac

PS! Despite being banged around a lot, including me falling directly on it when slipping on a wet branch, the sheat held up good.
PPS! I think I have to get another YCS Karda for backup should I be unlucky and loose this one ;)
 
halo.
kult å se en annen nordmann her:)
fint sted dere var på tur:D

Det er noen av oss her ja :) Tafjordfjella anbefales varmt, litt bortgjemt og glemt med langt mindre "trykk" enn Jotunheimen o.l. men ikke noen mindre naturopplevelse!

(For the english speakers, boerboel84 just said that it's cool to see another Norwegian here and that the area we went hiking was nice. I responded by recomending the area due to less people "pressure" than the more famous montain hiking areas further south.)

Mac
 
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