12" & 25" Sirupatis Arrive

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Bill, I think it must be time to renew your mordita with the post office.
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You mailed my package last Tuesday but they didn't attempt delivery until Saturday. Off to the PO I went this morning & soon had a familiar long box in hand.

Despite their vast differences in size, the Sirupatis have a few things in common. For one they both display the skills of their makers with very good fit, finish, and spirit. In addition, both are 1/2" thick and, somewhat surprisingly, the heft all that steel provides seems to suit them just fine. The little guy's balance & speed do not seem to be adversely affected at all by the thick spine. What is really surprising to me, however, is that the big guy actually has that much thickness and yet maintains such excellent balance & feel.

Another thing they have in common is a small circle immediately in front of the Sword of Shiva. The 25" model has the circle on both sides whereas the 12" has it on the right side only. Is there anything you can tell us about these circles, Bill? I don't have all my khuks here to check but, IIRC, this is the first time I have seen the circle. Anyway, on to some individual comments…

12" Sirupati
  • Buffalo horn handle is nicely shaped & fitted but, as Bill had mentioned, does have a few grain lines at the surface that may or may not develop into cracks. At barely 4" long, including the bolster, the handle is a bit short for my medium/large hands. It should be fine for light utility & social work
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    but would be likely to dig into my hand if I were to use it for into heavy or prolonged chopping. Since such a small knife is not intended for that type of use, no handle work is needed at this point. (Khuks really do have a way of changing perspectives, don't they? Imagine calling an 8" bladed knife "little" or "small" in other circles!
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  • The blade is very symmetrical & nicely finished. At 1/2" thick, I think it's up to whatever task I might possible throw at it. Hardness, as tested by running a steel along the edge, seems to be just about right -- slightly softer front & back with the hardest section right at the sweet spot. Unfortunately, it is going to need a good sharpening session until I am satisfied with the edge. It is chopping, but not slicing (forget about shaving), sharp.
  • As Bill would say, "the sarkis were sober that day." The overall scabbard fit & finish is very good. My only negative criticism concerns the chakma & karda holes. Unless the tools are shoved firmly in place, they will pop out and the interior nail heads do stick out a bit and would gorge the handles if not corrected.
  • The chakma & karda themselves are on the small side, at < 5" each, but this is entirely in keeping with the whole size of the rig. The karda has a small crack right at the blade that will need to be super-glued. It also appears that a portion near the butt may have been filled with epoxy & then polished -- not a perfect repair but very acceptable. The karda is actually almost sharp too!
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25" Sirupati
  • Wow! What a piece!
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    The American walnut handle was beautifully shaped and expertly fitted by Pala. At nearly 6", it is long enough to allow my hand to choke up for more control or slide back for more power as required. Pala must have definitely had a Westerner's hand in mind when he shaped this handle. It is just shy of a 5" circumference in the thicker area in front of the rings! I don't think that it will prove too big for my hands, but it is right at their outer limit.
  • Like it's smaller travelling companion, the blade is very symmetrical & nicely finished. Hardness, as tested by my steel, also seems to be just right. The 1/2" thickness is no where as unwieldy as you might think in a blade of this length (19"). This is not an ultra fast, lightweight fighter, by anyone's standards; however, it is a controllable heavy weight. Perhaps because its balance point is closer to the handle &/or because the blade has less of a drop from the handle, but I am much more pleased by its handling characteristics than those of my 30" King Kobra. Don't get me wrong -- once started toward a target, it wants to just keep going. Nevertheless, with some effort, I was able to harness the momentum a bit & change direction in mid-swing. Also, unlike the KK, I did not experience the blade wanting to twist in my hand on diagonal & horizontal swings. Alas, in spite of all the nice things I could go on to say about the blade, it is going to need to be sharpened. It's better that the 12" & what I would categorize as "slicing sharp"; however, it failed to pop off more than a stray hair or two.
  • The chakma & karda that Bill sent along with the Sirupati are the largest I've seen to date -- at 6 7/8" & 7 1/2", respectively. The blades & handles are flawless. Once I put an edge on the karda, it should make a nifty little utility knife.

Overall, I am very pleased with my latest selections from "Uncle's Bargain Bin". Now, if the kamis would only do something about improving initial sharpness…
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Brian

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NP, Bill. You had asked for my impressions & I am happy to oblige.

Do you have any insights regarding the small circles immediately in front of the Sword of Shiva? As I mentioned, this is the first time I have seen these.

Also, on the issue of sharpness, would it be possible to queue up a sharpening & overall final finish initiative with the kamis? I know the recent emphasis has been on getting them to mark the blades, but final finish -- in particular lack of sharpness -- seems to be a recurring theme in many folks comments. TIA.

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Possible explanation for the circles in front of the sword of Shiva; even the noblest and most refined Mercedes-Benz truck springs tend to have 6mm holes drilled through them at darned inconvenient places, so that the leaves can be bolted together. You can either weld up these holes, or plug them with a tight-fitting piece of steel rod, broached in while the spring is red-hot (so that when it contracts on cooling, the plug is gripped so tight it'll never budge). Third option is to close the hole up while forging, but you'll always be left with a tell-tale unsightly mark.

(I tend to weld up or forge in the bolt-holes in the blades I make, because I make thinner blades than the kamis and I'm more worried about the potential weak spot than the cosmetic blemish. In a khuk with a 1/2" thick spine, a 6mm hole should be no problem at all)

There's a circle like the ones you describe on my 25" HI sirupati, and I've always assumed it was a plugged bolt-hole.
 
Tom could well be right but I am not dead sure. I've seen the circles as small suns, too. Some have them, some don't. I have never bothered to ask and will probably get a bum answer if I do it from afar.

As I recall from my days in Mexico the "mordita" was the "bite" or bribe. Correct?

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[This message has been edited by Bill Martino (edited 07-24-2000).]
 
Thanks for the insights on forging, Tom. The circles are approximately 6mm & your explanation certainly sounds plausible. However, whether or not it means anything, the circles on the right & left sides of the 25" model do not line up. Oh well, I was just curious. If they are residual marks from the original springs, the kamis certainly did a good job of incorporating them into the design.

Yes, Bill, the "mordita" is the "bite" or bribe.



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Brian

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Sounds like the circles are only on Sirupatis? I've got a 15" with the circles on each side in front of the sword of shiva.

Anybody got the circles on any other khukuris besides Sirupatis? Just curious.
 
Nice review, great knives, B!

My 12" Sirupati by Sher also features the circle just forward of the Sword of Shiva.

The same is not found on my 15" version by Sanu.

By the way, I too would love to see the kamis make an effort to sharpen the edges better before shipping the khukuris off, for what it's worth.

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Thanks for the kind words on the reviews, bro. You're right -- they are great knives!

I checked my other khuks, including my 16" Sirupati, & no circles there either. My CBKC, however, does have a small circle on each side in front of the sword. I just never noticed them before. FWIW, they are considerably smaller on the CBKC than on the Sirupatis I just received & they don't line up exactly with each other either. Tom's speculation on these could well be right or they may simply be another interpretation of the sword motif -- just as some models employ only a line to represent the sword while others have detailed scrollwork and still others have brass inlay.

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Brian

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