1200grit -> .03micron strop too abrupt?

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Title pretty much says it all... is going from a 1200grit waterstone to a strop loaded with .03micron chromium oxide powder too abrupt a change to get a good edge? I imagine that such a drastic jump would lead to a lot of the micro-serrations from the 1200grit being left behind (unless I stropped for a really long time?). Should I get an intermediary grit-size and if so, which? 4000? 6000? 8000? I'm trying to not blow too much money on sharpening gear :o
 
It is a bit of a harsh jump, but if you don't have anything else available, just make up for it with the extra strokes on the leather. Get 3000-4000 when you can.
You can get a super edge with the tools that you've got already, but the 3000-4000 will save you quite some time.

I go from 400 (chips n' stuff) to 1000 (minor imperfections) to 3000 (honing begins, knife becomes shaving sharp at 3000) to 8000
to 12000 (12000 is kind of overkill, but what do I know?! I do it anyway) on my waterstones.
Of course it depends on the condition of the edge. I'd say that you could go from 1200 to 4000 to 8000, or 1200 to 3000 or 4000 to a leather strop.

The difference between 6000 or 8000 is not so huge, as you could easily get the same results with both. It's all about the technique and how much pressure you apply when doing the final honing.

Actually, I sometimes go over to the strop after having honed at 8000 or even 12000 on my waterstonse, because
they can leave scratches on the blade (no matter how well I clean the stones!) and the strop polishes those away nicely.
I mean, as long as I can shave hair and push-cut newspaper with my blades then I'm happy.
I don't know of any other method to test the next level of sharpness, but I'm sure someone will come along to enlighten me (please do!).
 
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Yeah its a bit much, try a 4000 & 8000 first.
 
Some interesting reading (note the international grit differences!):

http://www3.telus.net/BrentBeach/Sharpen/jig%20faq%2006.html#ab6

Hmmm - I read a bit into it then my attention was diverted to this section... seems fairly contradictory to everything I've ever read about stropping. I also like this guy's chart concerning micron to grit conversions - looks like I'd be jumping from 1200grit to ~80,000 :eek:

That aside, I only have enough $ for one waterstone right now so would you guys suggest getting a 4000grit stone? I've also been considering different stropping compound sizes (I intend to make my own four sided strop) - I've currently got .03micron on order, so what do you guys think about 1 and 3 micron diamond pastes?
 
killa, your on the right track, 4000 grit waterstone 1&3 micron compound and you should have some very sharp knives.
 
I'm using a 3 micron paste from Tormek (http://www.tormek.com/en/accessories/index.php) on one of my leather hones. It should be about 6000 grit in Euro terms (1500 USA). I get amazing results with that! But, I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so on another one I use jewelers rouge and some sewing machine oil to make it more slippery, but I have no idea of the grit size and can only say that it is barely noticeable that I've applied it. I've also got a clean leather strop for that final touch.

Yes, get a 4000 stone.
 
just a couple questions, what is the difference between a strop and a hone? and is 3micron, 1micron, .5micron, .25micron a good setup for a four sided, or a pair of strops/hones or is it too much and bordering on ridiculousness?
 
Honing is the process of removing burr and polishing an edge; so, a hone is anything with a fine surface which can be used to reach that goal.
A traditional leather strop is one of those leather "belts" that the barbers used back in the day. There are also strops which are mounted onto boards etc., so that one is relieved of keeping the "belt" strop taught.
 
just a couple questions, what is the difference between a strop and a hone? and is 3micron, 1micron, .5micron, .25micron a good setup for a four sided, or a pair of strops/hones or is it too much and bordering on ridiculousness?

A hone is flat, rigid and can be made from a variety of materials (the most common being diamond, ceramic and waterstones)... a strop tends to have some "give" and is generally made of leather or felt. I think the main difference is the level of abrasiveness - hones sharpen and polish while strops are more about aligning the edge (unless loaded with compound).

As for the particle sizes, what's overkill to one person might be perfectly practical for another. Personally, if I had a 4 sided strop and the money, I would use 3, 1 and .5 micron diamond pastes and leave one side bare leather for non-abrasive realignment. You don't always want to remove metal when you strop ;)
 
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