13c27!

vwb563

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Is anyone else as impressed with this steel as I am? Recently I purchased a Kershaw Leek in 13C26 and after almost a month of carry and use I still havent had to sharpen it yet! It could use a touching up of course but it actually is still pretty darn sharp! (it will still almost shave hair) Seems like darn good steel to me! :thumbup: ,,,VWB.
 
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13C26, actually. But yes, I do like the quality of the various swedish Sandvik steel.
 
It's actually 13C26. I've had good experiences with 12C27 in a Mora. My experiences with KErshaws 13C26 have been good for the most part, except two things. The first is not inherit to the steel, but an aesthetic choice Kershaw makes, which is beadblasting the blades. This reduces corrosion resistance significantly. The second is the steel seems more burr prone than I care for when sharpening, but this is comparing it to steels like ZDP189 and S30V, which are among my favorites for their lack of burring during sharpening which makes it easy for me to get hair whittling sharpness. Overall it performs well for a less expensive steel from what I've seen, but it doesn't sharpen how I like so I stick with the two other mentioned steels for EDC.
 
I really like this steel, and I've knives with all the other (steel) suspects. Based on Kershaws particular treatment of it, I've really taken a shine to their knives. I haven't had trouble with burring, but I'm more than a little obsessive on stropping, etc.

Oddly enough, when I used my Kershaw RAM to do some leatherwork, I used it right out of the box. If there was any burr, cutting the leather took it off. Since then a good stropping is part of the ritual.
 
12C, and 13C are both great steels. The new 14C is just as good, with the better edge holding of 13C, but better corrosion resistance of 12C.

Kershaw does heat treats and it's grinds well IMO. That helps to get everything possible out of the steel. Joe
 
Those are the best. Swedish steel is very good. These steels are used by Bark River, Kershaw. and many european knfe makes. A very good stainless steel.
 
I really like this steel, and I've knives with all the other (steel) suspects. Based on Kershaws particular treatment of it, I've really taken a shine to their knives. I haven't had trouble with burring, but I'm more than a little obsessive on stropping, etc.

Oddly enough, when I used my Kershaw RAM to do some leatherwork, I used it right out of the box. If there was any burr, cutting the leather took it off. Since then a good stropping is part of the ritual.

I thought I would give a bit more info on my particular sharpening methods. I use edge leading strokes on a DMT fine stone to re-sharpen. To finish the edge I do the same thing, except using the lightest possible touch I can and only using about 1/3 of the stones length. With this technique I can get any steel in my collection (D2, S30V, 13C26, 12C27, 420 mystery steel, VG10, 1095, AUS8, 154CM, 8Cr13MoV...) to whittle hairs.

All of my EDC's are reprofiled on a DMT XX course, then sharpened with a microbevel using the above.

Generally I try to eliminate any burrs detectable with my own senses of sight and touch using the stone. I used to strop but I've found I can get my edges just as sharp without it, and I've gotten better results using those edges rather than sharpening to only shaving sharp then relying on my strop for hair whittling sharpness levels. They seem to have more bite, both in push cuts and slices, so I don't know what exactly causes it. Maybe I have poor stropping technique compared to where my stone technique is at, but most my edges just don't feel as aggressive after a stropping compared to before, using the thumb test to feel the edge. This is using steels like S30V and ZDP189, which are my two most frequently EDC'd steels.

However, steels like the Byrds 8Cr13MoV and the steel in this thread have given me slightly different results. They both tend to burr more compared to the other two steels I mentioned when I sharpen them. Cliff Stamp used to suggest it might be under hardening rather than inherit properties of the steel. Maybe so, I Don't know what the cause is. Only I've noticed all the steels people consider difficult to sharpen, I strongly prefer because of how they sharpen. They don't grind as quickly, but they burr less. With the thin, reprofiled edges I use, grindability is irrelevant, as I can reset an edge in under 5 passes per side on the fine stone alone, and as I mentioned I finish with that same stone so my resharpenings are literally about 20-30 seconds long, unless I'm not satisfied with the edge and go at it again. With these steels and others like AUS8 I can get hair whittling right off the DMT fine, but it takes much, much more concentration and steadiness in my hands to do so compared to the effortless IMO nature of resharpening my D2 Queen or ZDP Caly Jr. Also, stropping seems to affect them differently. Again I don't know the science explaining why, it's just what I've observed. Stropped AUS8 seems to retain it's bite better than stropped ZDP189. I strop my AUS8 and 13C26, largely because with them I'm usually not in a mood to go for hair whittling sharpness because it's not worth the effort because all my knives in these steels are pure beaters, so I sharpen to shaving sharp and give a good stropping for usually a smooth shave with some hair popping ability.

All that said however, I did spend a night resharpening every knife in my collection that's in rotation. My Kershaw Skyline took a very good edge that night. Normally when I sharpen that knife I get shaving sharp very quickly, usually within 2 or 3 passes per side, but hair whittling sharp takes more steadiness than I care to invest, because I find it so easy to flop a minute burr over back and forth. It could be because of my sharpening medium. What do you sharpen with?
 
Oops! I must have half asleep when I typed 13C27, I meant 13C26.,,,VWB.
 
Hello ViVi:

I'm pretty boring on how I do this: I use a Sharpmaker. Once I've reprofiled to it's angles with the diamond, I work the range through extra fine. On the final few passes (thinning phase) of the fine stones, I'll pull the stroke once or twice, then repeat as a push. I do this for the extra-fine as well. I repeat the same procedure for the working edge with a much lighter touch.

Once all is done I use a piece of heavy cowhide (unloaded) as a strop at roughly the same angle as the working edge. Following the leather--it's my jeans (no joke). Then the palm of my hand (they get pretty rough in the colder weather). I'll test by pulling the edge backward along my thumbnail, then look to see if there was a burr to catch anything.

One thing I do--throughout the process--is listen to the tone of the edge on the stones. I know, sounds a bit artsy, but I've learned to trust my ear. If there is a burr, I can hear the difference on the stone.

Best regards.
 
Only I've noticed all the steels people consider difficult to sharpen, I strongly prefer because of how they sharpen. They don't grind as quickly, but they burr less. With the thin, reprofiled edges I use, grindability is irrelevant, as I can reset an edge in under 5 passes per side on the fine stone alone, and as I mentioned I finish with that same stone so my resharpenings are literally about 20-30 seconds long, unless I'm not satisfied with the edge and go at it again.

I tend to find the problem with "hard to sharpen" steel is that the edges are usually thick. Sometimes the edge bevels are more obtuse than I'd like, too. The result is a tendency to miss the edge when sharpening (it takes more precision maintaining edge angles) and quicker dulling (edge degradation is multiplied when the steel behind the edge is simply not sufficiently thin to maintain a "working edge".

The most consistent formula for successful sharpening I've found is to reprofile the edge and/or primary grind so that it effectively has a zero grind, and then using a fine abrasive to set a microbevel. A variety of steels, even the hardest or "hardest to sharpen", respond extremely well to this treatment. Sharpening is a cinch with this kind of profile, as the microbevel is the only part that needs grinding, and cutting ability is almost always enhanced, as thin edges are wont to do. It kills me that so few knives come from the factory this way.

My experience with 13C26 is with an early Kershaw Needs Work. It, too, seemed to suffer from an easily burring edge. It took quite a while and multiple sharpenings before the edge seemed to stabilize some.
 
Is anyone else as impressed with this steel as I am? Recently I purchased a Kershaw Leek in 13C26 and after almost a month of carry and use I still havent had to sharpen it yet! It could use a touching up of course but it actually is still pretty darn sharp! (it will still almost shave hair) Seems like darn good steel to me! :thumbup: ,,,VWB.

Hi vwb563,
Glad you like it, we try our best.
//Jerker
 
Add me to the fan list, I haven't sharpened my Tanto groove and Rainbow leek since May of this year. They will barely shave, but then again I don't have a sharpener, so they go to the Kershaw factory for sharpening next month. I'm very happy with this steel. I think somebody here on the forums compared this steel with VG-10 and said this was better.
 
Ive never anything in vg10 but i swear that 13c26 seems to me to hold an edge better than any knife that i have in s30v! ,,,VWB.
 
Ive never anything in vg10 but i swear that 13c26 seems to me to hold an edge better than any knife that i have in s30v! ,,,VWB.
13C26 does indeed hold a fine edge longer than S30V, VG10, and many other high alloy stainless steels when cutting materials that aren't highly abrasive.

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I have a Skyline and a ENRG2 that hold an edge with the best. Kershaw's 13C26 steel is outstanding.

RKH
 
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