141OT - Anyone Have an Opinion?

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The 141OT looks like a good value. Has anyone owned/used this knife? Is it a full tang ?(i.e. does the knive blade go all the way through the rubber handle)
Any insights would be appreciated.
 
It is a hidden tang blade. The tang does go all the way to the inner butt, but it is not the full width of the handle like on an exposed full tang knife. The tang is held in the handle by the ferrule that also forms the thong hole. These handles are very comfortable for users, and I've not broken one. I mostly use the slightly bigger clip bladed 140OT Trail Boss, but the 141OT Outfitter's drop point blade is a good design as well. I think I reviewed and ranted the entire Safe-T-Grip series some time back. They are an excellent value for a user knife, if you don't mind the quirks of stainless. Prices are still very reasonable on most of them.

Codger
 
Kevin,
I think they are a good solid knife, but like Codger said they are stainless steel. Aside from that fact I would not hesitate to tackle most any chore in the field. I like the Safe-t-grip handle, great for gutting a deer or elk, or any other large game animal here in North America.
Smokey had some pretty reasonably priced a few months ago. I see them all the time in pawn shops & junk stores. You should be able to find one in the $10-$20 range, but I haven't followed them on ebay. You might do a quick check of them & see what they have been selling for.

Dale
 
There are nine on now (just a quick search), and the last twenty or so went off at less then $20, a few less than $10. My son-in-law kept swiping my 140OT for his catfishing, and my wife kept swiping it for kitchen butchering, so I bought them each one, and still have a user for myself and one for a display frame. Of the series, I am still missing the 146OT fillet, but I am in no rush. Almost all of that pattern I see on eBay are chinese origin. I'll wait.


Codger
 
Thanks for the quick and knowledgeable responses! One question - what's the matter with a stainless knife? I understand that carbon steel will hold an edge longer, but I was under the impression that 440C stainless steel would hold a fine edge and look alot better down the road - just needs to hit the sharpening stone a little more frequently. I don't think I've owned any carbon steel blades yet, but I keep all my user knives are razor sharp with little effort.

Thanks again for the information - that's a great photo Codger! A picture's worth a thousand words.
 
There's nothing wrong with stainless. It just has different characteristics than 1095 Carbon. If I am working up a large deer with just one knife, and it gets dull, I have to call intermission to bring the stainless back, or catch my breath while I give the carbon a few swipes of the hone. You are correct that a knife kept sharp will accomplish a lot of jobs without resharpening, regardless of steel. And the stainless is shiney like a new dime. But carbon has panache in it's patina.

Codger
 
There is nothing wrong with any of the stains-less steels, as Codger has stated.

That knife is NOT 440C (which is still a popular high quality steel), most likely 420HC. Much easier/less expensive to work with for the factory, but it still works good for everyday tasks...but maybe not as good as a high carbon steel knife (like 1095) for skinning and ease of sharpening. But it handles everyday tasks just fine.

The steel question permeates these forums...if you do a search, you'll get mind numbing arguments about steel types.

Bill
 
None of the green handled knives are bad.. and they are bargains. I like to think that after decades of knife ownership and use I can sharpen almost anything steel.

I have an extra 141OT in my Schrade cache, no box or paperwork, but brand new with sheath, so if you want one, Kevin, drop me an email and it is yours for the cost of postage. I thinnk I only paid $5.00 for it wholesale. All I ask is that YOU use the knife, study it, write an opinion here of it.

Email address in my profile, I look forward to hearing from you.

Phil
 
If your concern is as to the design integrity of the knife, I believe the blade/tang transition, and the tang reinforcement inside the substantial grips to be sufficient for a knife. Not for an ax or prybar. Any knife can be broken by misuse. Knives, for the most part, are designed to be cutting tools. If these Safe-T-Grips are used with that in mind, you'll be happy with them. There are other knives designed for abusive work with special steels and heftier bladestock, but even they can be broken Here are some knives of this pattern that failed. Or was it the user that failed?


I bought these parts knives for research material. The photograph of them is borrowed to illustrate my point here. Hopefully the owner will not object.

Codger
 
Well Kevin, Phil has made you an offer that just can't be beat. But if you do receive the knife and really like it and want to set another back we have just a few left at SMKW that are selling for $12.99. I have to agree with all of the other comments, this is a really well made user friendly knife and I'm sure you will find it a great buy. JP
 
Codger,
Are you using those knives for trenching and log splitting? How the hell did you break the Zumbo?
Jeeze...
That is one pict I'll put on the site as what not to do to a knife.
TTYL
Larry
 
Those knives were from the factory collection, though I doubt I'll receive a cert with them. For the record, the only knives I have ever broken were done so purposely while doing failure mode testing (ie angle of deflection before breaking, etc). I have sliced blades to do film buildup measurements for coatings, salt tank corrosion testing, etc., but the only personal knives I have had broken were caused by my stupidity in loaning them to my workers without asking what they intended to use them for. An 897UH sheepfoot blade is not a good screwdriver to use on stuck stainless hose clamps. And more appropriate tools exist for prying lids off of paint cans.

Here is a more striking illustration of this point.

Pictures like this speak not of defective knives, just defective owners/users.
Codger
 
:grumpy: :( :(

Ouch!! You're killing me here. Back to the broken FIXED blades, please.

Bill
 
Well, Phil has made a very generous offer and my mother didn't raise a fool, so I'm taking him up on it. I will get the 141OT as sharp as humanly possible and take it on my next hunting or fishing trip (whichever comes first.) If I have anything worth saying about the knife's performance I promise to share it in this forum.
Best Regards,
Kevin
 
Knife will be on it's way to New York City tomorrow.

MVP... generousity is a trait of this forum. I could give a knife away every day here and never feel I have repaid the forum for all I have gained. By the way, it is seriously against the rules here at bfc to sell in the forums, with the exception of the 'Exchange' forums... in which case you must have a 'Gold' or higher membership. Please do refrain.

I posted a pic of the abused green handled monster below back in November during hunting season. A friend took the chip out of the blade by busting through a deer's pelvic bone (saw the damn thing.. or learn how to do the job without breaking the pelvis-- it sure is easier to drag a deer out of the woods without the legs flopping all around!).

Here's Kevin's knife and don't worry, I am not sending that horrible blue monstrousity!

Phil

141OT.jpg
 
Phil,

Don't forget to include one of those rare thongs.:eek:

I apologize in advance...it just slipped out. :o

Bill
 
Speaking of thongs............:D
Phil, weren't you selling some thongs on ebay.........thongs for knives?
If so, I would like to buy 2 or 3 for a couple knives I made and one work-in-progress.

Thanks,
Dale
 
Phil,
The knife arrived today and I am really excited. I don't think I could get it any sharper though - damn! What kind of stone do you use? If these "thongs" you guys were referring to are the semi-elastisized nylon cords Phil sent with the 141OT, then I'm now an even bigger fan of thongs! This is going to be my go-to knife for all hunting/fishing/camping trips for some time to come!

Again, many thanks Phil.

Kevin:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
Phil,
The horrible blue monstrosity knife arrived today and I am also pleased. But it was supposed to be the beater, not NIB. I also received the paracord thong, but not in a matching sapphire blue. As some of you know, I like to document variants of patterns, and the blue TPR is an example of such. Fugly, yes, but Schrade made it, and fugly orange and nice black ones to boot. I have not yet mined the answer of who ordered them, but I will. All belong in the Safe-T-Grip frame.

Again, also many thanks Phil.

Codger

FYI: Did you know that the shield area of the mold for the handles had an interchangable insert for SFO shielding, just like the Lightweight molds?
 
I don't believe the logo area was replaceable when the mold was remade for Ireland /China production late 2002, early 2003.
 
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