14k summit

Kershaw Vapor II is about the same dimensions (blade length) and looks quite similar. It costs only half of listed MRSP of that CRKT and is made of AUS6A though :rolleyes:

Just out of curiosity: isn't 54-56 HRC quite alot ? I've read about people using titanium alloy knives (in high 40s HRC).
 
faramir said:
Kershaw Vapor II is about the same dimensions (blade length) and looks quite similar. It costs only half of listed MRSP of that CRKT and is made of AUS6A though :rolleyes:

Just out of curiosity: isn't 54-56 HRC quite alot ? I've read about people using titanium alloy knives (in high 40s HRC).
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Nope, that's quite low. For example, Benchmade hardens all their knives between 58 and 62.
 
"Designed for Peak Performance for the Serious Outdoorsman."

I guess the word "peak" is refering exclusively to the top part of a mountain, not the level of quality in the knife. Because otherwise, the ad would be a bold faced lie. I can REALLY get spun up on advertizing hype.
 
These look and sound suspicially like the CRKT Red Dog. Shape's a bit different, but the zinc-alloy handles are the same stuff.

The 420J2 is near-junk. The zinc handles are absurdly heavy, plus they'll tarnish easily. They make stainless steel feel lightweight. The fact that they're beadblasted means not only will they tarnish easier, but trying to remove the tarnish will be rather difficult, if not impossible.

Almost any time someone brings up CRKTs or the safety of linerlocks, I have to tell the story of the CRKT Red Dog that folded on me cutting my index finger, requiring. This was 5 years ago and I still have nerve damage. I feel like a broken record constantly bringing this up, but I feel like I'm doing everybody a disservice if I don't warn them. Since moving on to quality knives, I've given away all my cheap junkers, except the Red Dog. No way would I let it fail on somebody else.

This new one has the LAWKS, which would prevent the linerlock failure I suffered. But why on earth would I want a knife that requires a secondary lock to be safe?

Trust me, you can do much, much better for the money.
 
I had the CRKT Pikes Peak, great knife, gave it to a buddy of mine who had gotten stranded on Pikes Peak when he was younger, decided I really wanted another, bought it off of eBay, and the one I have is a real POS. Bad liner lock, the LAWKS doesn't provide much safety IMO, dull as a bastid, I could go on and on. Anyway, I was really disappointed. I think I am going to send it to CRKT, see if I can get it replaced, might just sell it on eBay.
 
Ah, my first serious folder (if exactly -- Denali)...

I still like it's handle shape -- maybe metal and holes would not be too comfortable for long hard work, but it feels secure enough.

Blade is on the thicker side. Pehaps they meant it as a prying tool or climber's step. However -- it can cut, and even not bad. Steel ir rather soft -- not a thing to blame, if you need to resharp quickly and without hi-tech tools.

Now the nasty part.
Shrews. The little ones, which hold scales and clip. They tend to go loose after a few flicks (and this knife is dangerously pleasant for repeated flicking). Loose enouth to be lost. A knife "for serious outdoorsman" with details prone to going AWOL. Something is wrong is not it?

Not sure I would have bought it today. But I was young and sure that then "tactical-er" knife is -- the better.
 
Ascoe said:
Nope, that's quite low. For example, Benchmade hardens all their knives between 58 and 62.
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Sorry, i'm afraid i was a bit unclear; what i meant to say was, isn't that hardness relatively high for that particular alloy, given its composition, and isn't it relatively high compared to some other materials [such as titanium] ? 420J2 has ungodly low carbon content so despite all the chrome i assumed it would end up in mid-40s HRC or barely making 50 or something like that.

Source: http://www.csssc.com.tw/en/purchase01.html

up to 56 doesn't sound bad at all, given its contents (or lack thereof :rolleyes: ). 56-58 seems pretty normal for decent stainless steel (like 440C for example).

I've seen many sources indicating that 59+ HRC is no biggie with decent steel:

http://www.knives.com/heatreat.html

So i did know that :) It was a simple miscommunication.
 
What is the handle made of? I remember someone putting the handle on the electric stove and melting it. I thought it was 6061 Al
 
Came into this thread kind of late, but...according to the websites I'm looking at, this knife uses AUS6 steel. The liners, however, are 420J.

I guess Waco gets a unique set of CRKT models that are at LEAST as tough and nice as my Cabela's D2 mini grip. Except a lot cheaper. And higher quality non-FRN design.

Weird.

I'll try this thing out in the store. If it feels secure, it's going to be my newphew's. But I've never seen a CRKT come even close to dissapointing me. I'm not concerned.
 
CRKT has very recently dumbed down their low end steels to even lower end steels. What was AUS 6 is now AUS 4 or 420 J2. Likely, websites have just not updated them yet.
-KC
 
There is still some confusion:

From CRKT's website:

The 14K Summit Series:

• 14K Summit Series. Advanced designs for serious sportsmen. The six models are named after 14,000 ft. peaks in North America, this all-metal family features InterFrame construction, plated handles, and a unique, extra strong modified drop point AUS 6M stainless steel blade.

However, if you click on it, it lists the steel as 420. I'm not sure what to think.
 
I got mine a few years ago, everywhere i looked the blade was listed as AUS6. So i'm pretty sure i got a better 14K from when they were using AUS6. CRKT confuses me, wasn't there some talk about them starting to use 154CM?
 
I just emailed CRKT asking what steel is in their 14K Summit knives, since I too, have noticed CRKT's website lists is as 420J2, while some of the retailers' websites list it as AUS6M

Here is what CRKT's customer service emailed me today, in part:

"Our 14K Summit series are currently made with 420J2 Stainless steel but they have been made previously with AUS6M steel!"

As for the knife itself, I examined one yesterday (the small Mt.Shasta model), and it looks and feels very solid, and has good fit and finish. I especially like the blade shape. It is too small for my hands, though, with only a 3 1/2" handle. They also come in medium (4" handle) and large (4 3/4" handle) models.....

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Mirror-Saw said:
I got mine a few years ago, everywhere i looked the blade was listed as AUS6. So i'm pretty sure i got a better 14K from when they were using AUS6. CRKT confuses me, wasn't there some talk about them starting to use 154CM?
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Same here. I got an older one with AUS-6 and have been VERY impressed with edge holding. I wiil agree with the heaviness of the handle. This knife is very handle heavy!
 
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