15" and 12" Sirupati

Cliff Stamp

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Thanks to Rusty I now have the chance to work with two of the smaller HI khukuris, a 15" and 12" Sirupati.

I remember awhile ago on KnifeForums Jim Bleckel posted how a 15" Sirupati would make a nice field knife. While it doesn't have the raw power and strength of an Ang Khola it is lighter in the hand and would make some of the lighter work much easier.

I have been doing some light chopping and cutting with them for the past few days along side a couple of Bowies from Ontario (also from Rusty) and the khukuris are faring well. The blade curvature and grind offer significant advantages.

As I get a chance to work with them more I will add more details and put up a review here :

http://www.physics.mun.ca:80/~sstamp/knives/sirupatis.html

-Cliff

 
I'll be interested in baby ( the 12" ) and how it fares against some of the lighter bigger knives, like the Ontario Survival Bowie, suspect baby may do surprizingly well compared to that one.
 
They should do well. I figure if I can do pretty decent chopping with a recon tanto, the 12 inch sirupati should be even better.
 
The 12" Sirupati is a good all around khukuri, and even if you have big hands, it is so light it's very easy to handle. The Moroccan daggers I have are about the same size, but no where as close to the quality, and many Arabs carry similar knives for self-defence and such.

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As an update the smaller khukuris definately have better edge holding than the Ontario knives. This I expected as they are the same forged steel in my well used Ang Khola. Besides the better quality steel and tempering, I think the convex grind definately helps in heavy chopping. The khukuris also have better handles.

I sharpened up both Bowies and did about an hours worth of chopping with each ranging from light bush cutting to heavy chopping (clearing deadfall). At the end of the two hours neither Bowie could be used to slice with the part that I had chopped with. I tried steeling them but they did not respond overly well to that. I tried about 10-15 light strokes per side with little effect. I then used about 5 hard strokes (this is basically filing the edge) and achieved a sort of saw. I could detect the edge being rough and uneven with my thumbnail. I just used my x-coarse dmt to put an edge back on. The steel grinds easy so its not a problem. With the same amount of chopping the khukuris are easily brought back to speed with some light work with a chakma and a stroke or two with a ceramic rod.

The handles are the biggest problems with both. The Ontario handles are very abrasive because of the ridges and that hook at the butt digs into your hand once your grips starts to loosen from fatigue. I think you can get around the abrasion if you maybe cordwrapped the handle. I think I will try this later on. If you then used some high friction tape you might be able to keep your grip tight even when fatigued which would solve the problem of the troublesome pommel. The khukuri handle is small but its not abrasive. The only problem is the corner of the butt cap can dig on occasion into my palm. If the khukuri was mine I would simply round it a little.

On raw chopping speed I would estimate that it goes like 15" Sirupati, Marine Raider, 12" Sirupati, Survival Bowie. These are crude estimates just going by feel. I will do more precise ones once the rest of the knives get here on a bunch of similar wood.

The biggest problem with the Bowies is that they tend to stick, this is just a grind problem. How much of a problem this is depends on your use, while it does make heavy chopping a bit difficult, on really hard wood its not a problem as penetration is low there anyway, and plus it does make brush cutting easy and it will probably make for a good slicer. On slicing the thinner grinds of the Bowies should pull them ahead of the khukuris but the curvature of the khukuris should help make up for the thicker grind.

Personally sticking is a bit problem for me as I do a fair amount of heavy chopping -and- pet peeve - I can't do any left / right simultanous chopping. With the 15" Sirupati in my left and the 12" in my right I can get a nice rhythm going and tear through deadfall nicely. If I try that with the Bowies they stick inthe wood and I have to be really carefull not to bang them together.

I can't wait for my 18" Salyan. With that in my right and the 20" Ang Khola in my left hand, move over axe, I will be almost up to chain saw speed. I wish I had an extra hand to manuver the wood.

-Cliff
 
Many thanks for the update, Cliff.

I am guilty of selling these little Sirupatis short. See what I mean? I automatically called them "little", a reflection of my own opinion about them. In the world of HI khukuris the 12 and 15 inch Sirupatis are lightweights but in the general world of knives a 15 inch, one pound knife cannot be considered a "little lightweight." I need to correct my own philosophy about the Sirupatis.

And, Cliff, perhaps you should not take this advice if you value your toes but in Nepal it is common to employ the feet in lieu of an extra hand in two handed efforts. Somewhere in the 10,000 pix file I think I have a picture of Kami manuvering a handle with his feet while he's using both hands to drill or do something to it.

Uncle Bill
 
I do have the feet for it. I think if I can manage to chop with two large khukuris, once in each hand, and manuver the wood with one foot while balancing myself on one leg, I should definately get in the record book. Now what the record would be for I am not totally sure, but I am sure that it would be a record.

By the way I sent off a check yesterday, but beware I also included a very rare photo that might be disturbing to some. It is, to the best of my knowledge, the only known photograph of the Nf Yeti / Werewolf.

-Cliff
 
I wonder if it will look anything like Samauri Slot Mechanic? ( Remember John Belushi on Saturday Nite Live as Samauri_______? )The guy I gave the 15" Ang Khola to still has pictures of me in a Harvey's Wagon Wheel slot mechanic smock swinging a Japanese Officer's sword with three slot machine reels in the air! And no I do not know whatever happened to the sword.
 
I can't go back on my medication, Uncle Bill.
They pulled it off the market because the side effects were too fun.
 
Gee Cliff,if you run out of country,I`ll put you to work.I furnish BEER.

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Cliff, do you think that the flat grind of the survival bowie along with it's lighter weight due to the flat grind hampered it in the chopping. A 12 inch khukuri chopped better than a 15 inch flat ground knife.

Also, another point of note is that the 5160 steel with 0.6% carbon actually holds an edge longer than a 0.95% carbon steel. Of course, additional alloying elements help the 5160, but I think this may be more due to the Forging and heat treat than anything else.

Rusty, is the 15 inch sirupati lighter than the 15 inch BAS? You have both, don't you?
 
Hi Cobalt:

Cobalt, using an open forge and a dirt floor gives some crazy steel qualities. Silicon and carbon content are higher than you'd expect but I think you're dead right about the heat treat. Getting that spring to the right color and pouring the water out of the pitcher at the right flow rate and moving along at the right pace is an art. When done properly the results are truly amazing.

The 15 inch Sirupati is about a quarter pound lighter than the BAS.

Uncle Bill
 
Cobalt, the khukuris hold an edge longer I would bet, mainly due to the stronger grind. The edge on the Ontarios is much thinner than on the HI khukuris. As for the chopping performance, the Survival Bowie is hampered by its low weight and its balance is not blade heavy enough. Of course both of those qualities make it excellent for lighter work.

From an excellent suggestion by Will, aside from the normal field use and then penetration tests and a cutting demo to get a comparasion on the relative number of chops, I also did a speed test with all the knives. This I think makes the results more meaningful. I have all the data collected on the chopping portion and will assemble it and post it up later today.

I'll move on to the slicing tests later this week.

-Cliff
 
Cliff, Wednesday the 21st will be 2 weeks since I sent the Ontario bolo and kukri to you. They ought to be there soon. ( And I ought to be richer than Bill Gates, for that matter, but that's another story. )
 
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