2 models that would get my money, even when I don't want to spend money right now

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1: CABS XL in 2.0
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The concept is a CABS but done in 5.0-5.5" length and with the newer harder rendition of INFI and preferably in g10.

Why? because busse has historically not produced thin slicing knives of any sort. There were knives that had sharp edges, but rarely thin edges in a production model. Recently there's been the cabs, the MUK, and probably a few more that I can't think of at the moment, but even now they are very limited. And more importantly, all of them are short, 4.25" or less. When I work with wood, when I'm prepping food, any time I'm using a 4" knife I'm left wanting an extra inch or so. A 5.5" model would create a knife that wasn't just for skinning, it would be an all around user for daily carry that was more capable with tasks requiring a longer blade. In the harder 62rc it would hold it's edge longer and hold up better at thin cross sections on harder materials.

I believe the reason why the thinner knives are made shorter is because they are more liable to break in hard use, making them larger would only increase the leverage someone could apply to them and thus damage them. So I don't really expect this to happen any time soon, or ever, but man would be nice. It would be one of, if not the, best knife Busse combat has ever produced in my eyes.

2: Choiless BAE
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Why? Because the BAE was a nearly perfect model for what it was intended for. When people say "combat knife" a lot of things pop up, the BAE may not be one of them because it's so burly looking and kind of tall, taking up a large footprint. But as was brought up in a recent thread, the BAE has a feature set that makes it excellent for use when working blind, when your hands are wet and slippery, and when your hands are weak.

The tall (yet thin) ergo handle provides excellent feedback to the user telling them where the edge is at all times (blind indexing), it also allows for excellent leverage from a single hand because your turning a 2x4 instead of a pipe. These things are idea when gutting a large animal, when working a cramped hallway after coming in from bright daylight, or when working at night under low light. It's also helpful when you've already spent your hands strength (camping/survival/combat) or your hands don't have a lot of strength to begin with (arthritis, age, injury, hunger).

The only flaw (one I find in any knife) is the choil. Remove that, and I consider it as close to flawless as you can get in a single model. I'd love to see a re-release of this in choilless in it's standard form, as well as a slightly extended blade length, by maybe an inch (putting it in the NOE territory).
 
I'm with you on #1. Sounds like something a BOSS Jack could be easily be modified (or custom ordered from Garth) to be. I bet they still have blanks on hand for that.

Never held a BAE even though I read the other thread and was pretty convinced. So in lieu of that, my money would be going to a huge chopper. Again. Because they're cool :cool:
 
Well said lvc. I would like to see the b8 with an anorexic and magnum option without choil.
 
I'm with you on #1. Sounds like something a BOSS Jack could be easily be modified (or custom ordered from Garth) to be. I bet they still have blanks on hand for that.

It could be done, but it wouldn't be same in standard 58rc INFI. The knife under the top BOSS jack is a 1/8" version of the boss jack, but it wasn't ground as thin a the CABS, and even if it were I'd still want the harder steel.
 
Would that be a CAB-MANDU???


Or maybe a BOSS-BADGER!!! :D



Great suggestions... I'm in either way!





OK... edit to add: Also (while we're dreaming) I want the light brigade treatment. I really don't like a handle heavy knife.




And I've settled on BOSS BADGER!



I'm all in...





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LVC,

You put too much emphasis on blind indexing and choil-related difficulties.

Neither really present a problem to someone who is savvy with his/her EDC knife.

If I had to cut fishing net, in the dark, under five seconds, I could do it with my choiled RMDeux LE. No problem.

Why I would ever find myself in a position where I had to do such a thing, IDK.

Anyways, I always enjoy your input.
 
LVC,

You put too much emphasis on blind indexing and choil-related difficulties.

Neither really present a problem to someone who is savvy with his/her EDC knife.

If I had to cut fishing net, in the dark, under five seconds, I could do it with my choiled RMDeux LE. No problem.

Why I would ever find myself in a position where I had to do such a thing, IDK.

Anyways, I always enjoy your input.

I could as well, I've always been able to cut whatever media I needed to with my choiled knives, but that choil has always been a nuisance. Even on the small choil on my kershaw stockman I find thin cardboard getting caught in it. Will that kill me? no, but it's annoying and it doesn't have to be. If I can get a knife where I can place an object on my index finger, then slide the blade onto it without having to think for even a second about the choil, I want that knife over the choiled version.

Blind indexing, for me, isn't just about do-or-die situations like cutting fish netting while trapped in a downed helicopter underwater, it has more to do with the feeling of the knife in use. With a knife that has really good blind indexing I always know where the blade and the tip is, I can close my eyes and place the tip of the knife onto a soft object without piercing it, it becomes an extension of my arm as though I were using the tip of my finger. Bad blind indexing and I have to be more careful, I have to watch the blade more and it never feels quite right. That certainly won't make the knife unusable, and probably will never cause me any direct harm. But it doesn't have to be that way in the first place.
 
The thought of a 3/16ths BAe makes my stomach all fluttery. :D The only missing link in the ZT line, it would have been one of my grails.

Choil just doesn't bother me at all. Through all those animals I eviscerated it never got in the way, but I do understand the utility of not having one.

but

When sharpening I love having at least a "sharpening notch". On my choiless knives inevitably I go too far toward the stone and hit the ricasso. Most all of them have ugly marks. I guess its a similar annoying factor to your dislike of choil's, its not going to kill me. :)

I do like that Jerry is doing both as an option on some knives, but it does take some getting used to, they still look funny to me. The large choil has become such an iconic look on his knives it is strange not to see it there.
 
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The thought of a 3/16ths BAe makes my stomach all fluttery. :D The only missing link in the ZT line, it would have been one of my grails.

Choil just doesn't bother me at all. Through all those animals I eviscerated it never got in the way, but I do understand the utility of not having one.

but

When sharpening I love having at least a "sharpening notch". On my choiless knives inevitably I go too far toward the stone and hit the ricasso. Most all of them have ugly marks. I guess its a similar annoying factor to your dislike of choil's, its not going to kill me. :)

I do like that Jerry is doing both as an option on some knives, but it does take some getting used to, they still look funny to me. The large choil has become such an iconic look on his knives it is strange not to see it there.

I agree, the choil is iconic. Without it, the knives just look funny.
 
So let me see... You're a choil-hatin', blind-index lovin', lowdown pack-price changer...

You just can't please anyone this week, can you? :)

(Before anyone jumps on me, I'm just kidding LVC about a thread in another sub-forum)

-mike-
 
LVC, Leatherman, I'm glad that some of you - respected members brought this up about the ergo- line...
I was thinking about starting a "death chat" about bringing back the Ergo- line in a thinner, choilless form.

I'm totally coverted to the ergos of the Ergos.:D
 
........ The large choil has become such an iconic look on his knives it is strange not to see it there.
Personally, I prefer the cutting edge to be closer to the handle; such a large coil is a big reason why I don’t care for many Busse models. To have a 7” blade with a 6” cutting edge seems pointless, but l understand Jerry likes the look.
 
lowdown pack-price changer...

I didn't change the price of the pack. I wasn't there to do anything about it, and since it was purchased at the price asked for by the teller/pricing agent with no haggling, no negotiating for a lower price, no deceit by anyone present, I have no intent of paying more than what the company asked for it. It's threads like that that keep me from wanting to post here very often.

Choils are an interesting thing with busse. They do serve a function for the people who like to use them, even if I find that for me the function versus detriments (and alternative options) aren't worth it, others have little to no problem with the choil. While jerry has said that he likes the looks he's also pointed to the function of choking up. But he's also mentioned that he threw out his shoulder when he got a peice of manilla rope caught in the choil during a test cut, an example from the maker of how choils can be dangerous during extreme work.

I don't intend to say that no busse should ever have a choil again, I just mean to say that nearly every model would benefit from having it as an option, especially knives with sub-8" blades. The 5.5" CABS XL in 2.0 and the BAE are two prime examples where, for me, simplicity in form is desirable, especially under stressful situations. I don't mind that knives like the team gemeni have choils, but I'd be way more likely to buy them if it was an option, and more likely to claim them as 'near perfect' like I would do for a choiless BAE.
 
I didn't change the price of the pack. I wasn't there to do anything about it, and since it was purchased at the price asked for by the teller/pricing agent with no haggling, no negotiating for a lower price, no deceit by anyone present, I have no intent of paying more than what the company asked for it. It's threads like that that keep me from wanting to post here very often

I'm really sorry, man, I wasn't trying to do anything but make a little light of that thread... I feel bad if you thought I meant you did anything wrong... I just thought the suggestions made there were kind of silly. I know and respect your contributions to this forum, and have seen enough of your sales threads to know that what some folks were attributing to you was total B.S.

I was reading this thread and just thought you were having a tough week with comments, is all...

Damn... was a -really- bad attempt at humor on my part...

My apologies...

Oh, and fwiw, I'm pretty much with you on choils... My Tank Buster choil-less, BJ choil-less, and CABS are among my favorites precisely because they -are- choil-less...
 
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I am with LVC re. choils.

They look great but they can be annoying. I dont understand the logic of having to choke up on an uncomfortable, thin metal blade to get leverage, often having to deal with a guard that gets in the way, top and/or bottom, when it is much better to just have the handle run right up to the cutting edge. For the same reason, I don't care for large ricassos either.

With chest-lever grip I find choils especially annoying because I have to move my hands much further apart, reducing control, leverage and blind indexing. And choking up on a blade with chest-lever grip is rarely possible. There are many times where I would have gladly used a large knife without a choil, but with the choil, I put it down and grab a smaller one, just to avoid having a choil.

Like Dwayne I am not totally against a very small sharpening notch, provided it is really very, very small (Fallkniven style), not an elf choil.

But there are many that love choils for their looks and their functionality and there will never be consensus. LVC has indicated that he would not (or almost not) own a knife with a choil. I am sure there are many who feel the same way, especially on the smaller knives. And I am sure the opposite is also the case. So I think the best way is to offer both options as has been done with quite a few models.

Give me a choiless B11 and a choiless RMD and I would be in Hog Heaven.
 
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Amen on the no choil. That actaully kept me form buying the b4. I just don't see a practical need for one until a blade is over 7". I am with LVC on the Magnum CABS concept. I looked long and hard at his Boss Jack custom he had advertised. In the end I thought I would be ahead by having my CABS customized at the shop. I am adding girth to the slabs for my arthirtic hands. I have seen a mod on here that took the Wardog and removed the choil as this follows hte concept LVC is discussing. INFI med slicers/users with no choil. I contacted the memeber but never heard back from him so my Wardog was sold as I am in a hurry to select my one and done model(taken over a year now) If any of the models by Scrapyard or the Swamp had an option for 1 of 3 customizations for $100 when ordering the concept would sell very well and drive increased revenue and margin for the maker. (spoken as a true sales guy- hit that quota) . You still keep the price reasonabel with the standard offering, however, making it available to customize for a price.
 
But there are many that love choils for their looks...

Funny you say that--I always thought choils looked great in pictures and that made me want choiled versions of the BOSS Jack, but upon receiving my first one, it didn't look that great in person.

Now I'm always for no choil on < 7" blade length knives. Choils on larger knives, or choppers more specifically, look good and are useful to me.

Hmm... so maybe it's an aesthetic with proportions and stuff like that that a finger choil on a large knife looks better than the same one on a small knife.
 
I'd pay an extra 50$ to get a choiless model of any knife I'm interested in, but avoid buying because of the choil. It is ture that I've replaced all of my user knives with choiless version, the only one I still have that has a choil is a himalayan imports khukuri, something thats hard to come across in a choiless rendition.
 
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