21st Century Hawk..Survey

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If you had carte blanche in terms of materials, function, and design, what would you want your 21st Century Tomahawk to be like?

Sound off my brethren in Hawkdom!!!

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[This message has been edited by Andy Prisco (edited 03-03-2001).]
 
Carte Blance, huh?
1. Spiked hawk made from INFI steel for the head. Hardened to the same hardnes as the Busse BM.

2. Handle material like the laminated handle for the presentation hawks you have planned.

3. Custom sheath by Kenny Rowe with multiple carry features.

4. VietNam LaGana hawk made from INFI steel and the same as (1)thru(3) above.

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Or, as a subsitute steel, how about S5 or S7 shock resistant steel (the stuff cold chisels are make from)whith a zone hardening for toughness in the body of the hawk and ability to cut through steel at the edge.
I would also like to see a Vietnam LaGana with a longer handle and maybe a slightly larger over all head with the same shape.

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Ron,
Bremerton, Washington
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[This message has been edited by muzzleup (edited 03-05-2001).]
 
How about a deep satin polished pipe hawk with laminated cocobolo/hickory handle. Woven leather thong. Eagle feather "accents". Alligator scabbard with kydex insert.

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Head like what you have on the Ranger Hawk, but with a sharpened underbelly, and the Vietnam style endspike. INFI or superior steel for head (is there anything better
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Exotic wood laminated handle. Length around 18" or so. (The VN hawk is just too short for me.)

Kydex sheath with bottom break construction (pull down on handle, hawk pops out) - or vice versa (top break if handle is up).

Would also include two books ("History of the VN-style hawk and its derivatives," and "The Hawk Fighting Encyclopedia), and a video series entitled "Hawk Throwing, Fighting for Combat."

 
This baby here:
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On the front, the forward edge and the bottom edge sharpened. on the rear, both the top and bottom edges sharpened.

The only real change i would want is the option of a traditional handle and maybe an option manmade material handle.

That'll be tough to beat!

John
 
Hmmm...21st century huh. Well, the head would be made of M2 steel. The for end would be a lean and bearded in appearance, while the aft would taper to a 1/4 inch thick tanto style blade of approx. 2 inches in length. The head would be CNC machined to accept the solid ovalized and anodized Aluminum handle inserted from the bottom and fixed into place by a counter-sunk hex bolt tightened from the top. The lower portion of the handle would cross textured for grip. The base of the handle would have a lanyard hole.

The portion of the head where the handle is inserted, would be blockish in nature on its sides to allow the hawk to be used in a hammer fashion.

Lateral entry and drop-lock kydex sheath. Sheath has options for belt or pack strap pass through and contains holster for the included Photon II light.



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I like the LaGana hawk format, the head is great. I´d improve on the handle, some form of finger grooves or thicker butt end would be good, it helps not loosing grip on hooking/pulling motions.
Although I think the wood handles are sufficiently strong, experimenting with synthetic materials or handle reeinforcements (more strength when blocking with the handle, more resistance against powerful cuts to the handle) could be interesting.
And a fast break-away synthetic belt/multicarry sheath.

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Damascus head with the entire top ridge sharpened, as well as the belly, with a spike tail. In reality, the head would be impossible to touch from the front, top, bottom and back without infliction of pain
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The entire piece would be light, fast, and more a CQB tool than a thrower, but still a competent thrower. Handle would be finely checkered or grooved so as to improve a wet / bloody grip. It would carry in some sort of a Dundee rig.
 
Hawk on my Hawkaholic brothers!!!!!!

Bobby

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Here is a 45 minute rendition of my description above.

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1567915&a=11911526&p=42760089

The advantages of this design would be many. For one, it's flat upper surface and the fore most part of the blade being at the top, the hawk could be used in tight chopping situations. While the chisel tip of the tanto allows for a terrific punch tool for ice and rock.



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Similar to Killerman's idea. I'd like a lightweight and fast hawk with sharpened underbelly. Upswept top and bottom edges, sort of like Cold Steel's Norse hawk, for thrusting and gouging. Put a spike on the back for balance. 18" handle length, the Vietnam is too short. Lanyard to hang on to (I'm not interested in throwing it). Solid handle, preferably hickory. Steel doesn't matter as long as it's done properly.

David
 
I like the tanto blade for a spike Idea. I also like the sharpened underbelly like the vietnam hawk. I have no idea what a good handle material, but I'm sure there are plenty of light, strong, composites that would work.

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A "Mini Street Hawk" with a vietnamish style head (blade and spike), or Paul Ehlers style head (as above) but flattened for concealment, one piece made of carbon steel or ats-34 steel, and g-10 or micarta scales, very slight curve of handle towards front, and about 9-12" overall length...

Some type of shoulder or Dundee kydex sheath.

~B.
 
I like the looks of that "TANTO HAWK". Bet it will stick like crazy!
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Ron,
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Howdy,

I really dig alexoleary's pic. But sharpen the underbelly and leave about 2 inches unsharpened at the base of the rear blade. That way you could use cqb blocks like lagana does in that one pic against a bayonet. Also flatten the sides of the head in line with the handle to use as a hammer. And for the handle, would graphite work? They use it to make tennis rackets and all such.

dion
 
Hmmm...I'm thinking scratch that aluminum handle. Maybe a polycarbonate carbon fiber matrix would be better. The experiences that I've had with polycarbonate is that it flexes and absorbs vibrations. But I've never seen the stuff break due to stress. I once saw some fancy tupperware made of the stuff. The owner allowed me to stand on it to test the claims of strength. My 250+ pounds stood on that pitcher sideways and compressed it pretty darn flat. When I stepped off, it sprung back to normal with no creases or stress marks!

Seems like something that could absorb the stress induced by blows and throws would be best.

The carbon fiber would be added in for looks.

Anybody know a lot about polycarbonate?
 
talonite head triangle spike hollow titanium handlefilled with some type of foam

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Tomahawks rock

Put a bell guard on the Tomahawk. The bell guard would defend against someone trying to disarm you with a weapon and could be used for parrying as the bell guard is used with European sabers. The bell guard could also be used to slam into someone's face. I think a bell guard would be a nice addition to a Tomahawk.
 
Start with the Vietnam hawk design, but instead of the convex underside, beard it. Keep it sharpened, if you're really ambitious serrate it so it would bite on hooking moves, don't know if this would be best though- a hook turns into a trap if you can't get the thing off somebody's sleeve. Thought a triangular or diamond cross-section back spike would be good, but starting to like the tanto idea; just wonder whether the point should be high or low. If it's high (toward the eye) I'd be a little afraid the "belly" would hit first and glance off. Maybe one of the Wharncliffe-Tanto hybrids like the RTK, with the point at the lower edge and a little curve. Would give the spike hook & cut potential.

As to steel not sure you could reason from experience with knives (where most of mine is). D2 seems a good choice.

Seems like a metal handle might rattle your wrist on a hard hit, also would worry about brittleness with such a long handle. Somebody who knows more about metal might correct me on that. Fibre-reinforced synthetics seem like a good choice, maybe with embedded langetes.

Also like the idea of a flat, easy-to-carry hawk with mostly steel shaft, but wonder about how you'd zone-harden it. (not an expert here, just thinkin')

For all of them I'd make the cutting blades thin for deep clean cuts in soft material and the head relatively light with a medium sized handle that doesn't get in the way if you need to choke up. Option for a long (ie two-hander) handle.
 
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