25 years ago today......

JD Mandrell

JD Mandrell

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...was a true tragedy.

John Lennon was shot and killed on the streets of New York by Mark David Chapman, a deranged "fan".

The true tragedy, Yoko Ono was standing right bedside him and not a scratch.:D
 
I ws thinking about this today: Why are we observing the day of his death?

I think John would have rather people observe his life and ideals, rather than his death.

IMHO, that is...
 
Centaur said:
I ws thinking about this today: Why are we observing the day of his death?
I think John would have rather people observe his life and ideals, rather than his death.
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You have the right idea, Centaur. I seem to recall that per Ono's request, the memorials at the Strawberry Fields site in Central Park are traditionally held on his birthday and not the day of his death.
 
stjames said:
And your contribution to society is?
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Dude. He's 21. How much could he have contributed to society? 6 months ago he couldn't even buy beer legally.:D
 
You know he lived in the Dakota in NYC. I used to have an eccentric tax client who never left her apt. in that building. Once a yr. I would go up to see her and get all her info and than mail her back the tax. The building always gave me the creeps. She would always give me a large bag of food for my trip home, which I deposited in the first garbage can I saw.
 
After a couple of years playing clubs in Liverpool and Hamburg, the Beatles negotiated their first record deal with EMI. This was 1961 and John Lennon was 21 at the time.
 
Here's an interesting question: do you think that -- say? -- two hundred years from now, John Lennon will be considered one of the great composers? Will he be classed with Beethoven and Mozart?

You see, Mozart lived in a very musical time. There were dozens -- yeah hundreds -- of active composers all composing very nice music that was very popular at the time. Most of those composers are forgotten. Very little of their music survives. And very little of that is commonly performed. The same thing is true in any kind of art. How many painters were painting perfectly nice works in Monet's day. Yet most of their canvases were burned for their heat content long ago.

So, what do you think? Will John Lennon ultimately enter the Cannon of Western Music?

Why or why not?
 
It's too bad he didn't have a gun to protect himself with.

He gave peace a chance. Seems peace didn't much agree with him though.
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Gollnick said:
Here's an interesting question: do you think that -- say? -- two hundred years from now, John Lennon will be considered one of the great composers? Will he be classed with Beethoven and Mozart?

You see, Mozart lived in a very musical time. There were dozens -- yeah hundreds -- of active composers all composing very nice music that was very popular at the time. Most of those composers are forgotten. Very little of their music survives. And very little of that is commonly performed. The same thing is true in any kind of art. How many painters were painting perfectly nice works in Monet's day. Yet most of their canvases were burned for their heat content long ago.

So, what do you think? Will John Lennon ultimately enter the Cannon of Western Music?

Why or why not?
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No, I don't think so. Te beatles were the first to popularize certain types of music, and they were extremely prolific. On the other hand, a lot of their works was designed to appeal to the moods and attitudes of their times.

It's very hard to tell who will be remembered - things are different nowadays though with electronics and storage mediums though now. Regardless of greatness (I don't like the Beatles at all, not being a fan of peace), artists will survive as long and only as long as their music keeps making the transitions to newer mediums.
 
Gollnick said:
Here's an interesting question: do you think that -- say? -- two hundred years from now, John Lennon will be considered one of the great composers? Will he be classed with Beethoven and Mozart?
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There have been several recording of Lennon/McCartney songs done in a more classical vein. String quartets, full orchestras, that kind of thing. Classical music tends to have a longer "shelf-life". It is not unreasonable to think their compositions may be remembered 200 or so years from now. Maybe just not in the original popular music, electric style of the original recordings.

Sidebar - There was an electrical engineer working for EMI who was tinkering around with X-ray technology. The Beatles made so much money for EMI Records they were able to fund his work. The result was the invention of the CAT Scan. Thank you, John.
 
Thomason said:
Sidebar - There was an electrical engineer working for EMI who was tinkering around with X-ray technology. The Beatles made so much money for EMI Records they were able to fund his work. The result was the invention of the CAT Scan. Thank you, John.
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Well....

It's a nice legend, I suppose. But unless EMI had a studio in South Africa, it's probably not much more than that.

Computer-assisted axial x-ray tomography, i.e. CAT scan, is generally credited to Allan Cormack of University of Capetown. Cormack and Houndsfield were awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine for their invention. Neither ever sought a single patent but freely helped companies productize their invention.

While he started his studies in engineering, Cormack was not an engineer but a mathematician. CAT scan is really a lot more about fancy math than X-ray technology.
 
Hounsfield, Sir Godfrey Newbold, 1919–2004, British electrical engineer. A radar expert for the Royal Air Force during World War II, in the 1950s Hounsfield began developing computer and X-ray technology for EMI, Ltd., an international electronics and entertainment corporation. He built the prototype for the first CAT scan machine, which originally was designed to produce detailed images of cross-sections of the human head, in 1972. For this innovation he shared the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine with Allan Cormack, who had independently derived and published the mathematical basis of CAT scanning in 1963–64. Hounsfield was knighted in 1981.
 
Will P. said:
No, I don't think so. Te beatles were the first to popularize certain types of music, and they were extremely prolific. On the other hand, a lot of their works was designed to appeal to the moods and attitudes of their times.

It's very hard to tell who will be remembered - things are different nowadays though with electronics and storage mediums though now. Regardless of greatness (I don't like the Beatles at all, not being a fan of peace), artists will survive as long and only as long as their music keeps making the transitions to newer mediums.
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Beethoven, Mozart, etc. appealed to the moods and attitude of their times as well. As Thomason points out,
There have been several recording of Lennon/McCartney songs done in a more classical vein. String quartets, full orchestras, that kind of thing. Classical music tends to have a longer "shelf-life". It is not unreasonable to think their compositions may be remembered 200 or so years from now. Maybe just not in the original popular music, electric style of the original recordings.
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Even some of The Beatles original works started with a classical instrument background such as Eleanor Rigby. Over time they have become "Elevatorized" (as have some of Pink Floyd's works) and played in traditional classical styles indicating their continuing popularity and (to borrow an over-hyped term) timelessness. They were not all about peace as you state but instead professed the popular and contraversial thoughts of their times. Revolution, Revolution Number Nine, Helter Skelter, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Rocky Raccoon, etc. were not paens to peace but comments on society at the time.

Will they continue to hold for another 200 years?? As you indicate, it's hard to tell. But as for transitioning to new mediums they seem to be holding for now.



But more importantly, let's talk about Classic Rap and it's staying power..........:barf: :D
 
A composer or a piece of music doesn't have to be in the classical style to become part of the cannon of western music. I suspect that some jazz and some big band will ultimately make it. Even some pop might.

Nothing from rap will, nothing.
 
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