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So I figured I'd take a shot at #2. This is some 1084 The Geek sent me, it should be interesting to see where it ends up. Along with the steel this fine young man included 2 beautiful pieces of maple that I may use on this one maybe not. The maple is gorgeous, I'll probably use it if this one comes out the way Im thinking. This is just the first side I'd figured I'll rough it in then turn it over, rough and semi finish the second side and turn and semi finish, heat treat and finish. I have some copper for my liners. I'm still really undecided on the handle.
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I think maybe rather than relieve the handle I might go full width of the tang, very thin with copper bolster of sorts. I'm thinking. Makes my brain hurt but its sure fun.
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I like that you're using a file to make the knife. I see in you a kindred spirit. :)
 
Very cool knife. just to let you know, the maple is scales. however, I don't think they are bookmatched. free is a great price, though ;)
 
I really like the dagger, very unique design.

And kudos to you on the file work... I only did a couple of tiny <5 inch knives before I decided I needed a grinder.
 
tryppyr said:
I like that you're using a file to make the knife. I see in you a kindred spirit. :)
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I started draw filing quite a while back when I started slow rust bluing firearms. A lot of restoration is on guns that have heavy pitting and its the only good way to do a barrel and keep it round and concentric to the bore. Ive actually never attempted to do anything flat before. Smaller gun parts I would rub out on a plate with what ever grit it took to get them to about 600 grit and cleaned up and then blue them. I'm thinking I'll slow rust this knife and polish out the bevels to finish it off.

Hey Geek you got that right about the price;) I may split one of the scales for a real thin set of bookmatched. I think it would look really good. Still thinking.
 
I think that's an awesome design, especialy for #2
If you do gunwork those skills will help a lot in knifemaking.
 
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I'm filing a piece of 1084 on my current project and thought it would be a good place to get a feel for engraving some grooves. I have no feel for how much material one can remove with such a tool and don't currently plan on any future in engraving but maybe... Any one have one they might be willing to trade for. Ive seen some older sets in Ebay but Ive spent my allowance for some files....Just thought I'd see whats out there.

I tried making a 'V" graver from a lathe bit but that didnt go anywhere yet. I've a second blank that I've layed out and thought I would try some grooving in the tang area just to see if I can do it and not mess up the piece Im working on. I read somewhere that you often end up with 3 knives while making one. I can see this will be a "two'er". I still have a ways to go on the first side but its comig along.

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Check this place out if you have not already. The cheapest way to go is get some of the templates for which ever you want then if you can find some 3/32 tool steel bits, Ive been using some 1/8 stock that I grind down to fit in the holders. You can make your own holder for the tool (for hammer and chisel) or pick up one of his handles. Lots of good info over there (ofcourse you may have checked it out already). http://www.handengravingforum.com/index.php?


EDIT: forgot to add you probably wont be using it for that knife unless you put it on hold for a while. Once you do get one, try some practice on some mild steel first. I am not gonna lie it looks easier then it is even for the simple engraving. Ive been playing with it for the last month or so.
 
quint said:
Check this place out if you have not already. The cheapest way to go is get some of the templates for which ever you want then if you can find some 3/32 tool steel bits, Ive been using some 1/8 stock that I grind down to fit in the holders. You can make your own holder for the tool (for hammer and chisel) or pick up one of his handles. Lots of good info over there (ofcourse you may have checked it out already). http://www.handengravingforum.com/index.php?


EDIT: forgot to add you probably wont be using it for that knife unless you put it on hold for a while. Once you do get one, try some practice on some mild steel first. I am not gonna lie it looks easier then it is even for the simple engraving. Ive been playing with it for the last month or so.
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I have an second piece of 1084 I was going to use to get feel for it. I've got a feeling there's more to it than first meets the eye. That is a good site I was there for a while last night. I have whats called a CMM or a 3 axis coordinate measuring machine that I have adapeted a dremel to and could mill my groove and it could be the way I go but I'd like to cut the goove by hand. May be a little too ambitious for now.
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Thats a cool setup.

IMHO with very limited experience I would try doing some hammer and chisel stuff first. The push engraver Ive been playing with is very hard to keep going with anything other then very shallow cuts. The H&C method I can get some pretty decent straight lines now but its hard keeping everything smooth and even.
 
JBS TOOLMAKER said:
That CMM with the dremal is an awesome idea. Very creative.
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The company I worked for for years was throwing it into the dumpster to get it off the assets list. It has a digital read out, touch trigger probe and its a fully functional CMM. I measured for years with many different systems and this one happen to fall in my lap and its a mitutoyo about 20 years old. Ive used it a lot for measuring and just happened to come up with the dremel idea a while back.

Quint I was trying a couple of bits today that I tried to shape and its no doubt something that leaves not much room for error. To remove enough metal for a blood groove would be a challenge with a good tool I think. Is a graver possibly the wrong approach? It sure wouldn't seem like it.
 
I think and thats coming from limited knowledge on this stuff as I am just starting out in it but doing something like a larger groove down the dagger would be a little difficult to start out with. I think doing like small outlines on the blade and what not would be a little easier undertaking to start out with. The groove if I am thinking correctly is rather large and concave. I am not sure what the easiest way to go about doing them would be, gotta ask the knife gurus around here.

Oh and thats a lucky score on the equipment. You were lucky to be able to snag it before it was tossed.
 
You would be much better off using a milling machine for a fuller (blood groove.)
Using push gravers requires much muscle control, tool and sharpening knowledge. Not to dissuade you from trying engraving-it's a very gratifying process.
You can get a real graver very cheaply on Ebay or from www.riogrande.com
I don't have any spares-sorry.
 
Good start. I like the shape.


Since this thread is mainly an adjunct to your other one on making the knife, I am going to merge the two threads.

Selling and trading are not allowed on this sub-forum. This arena is for discussion of knife making and related skills.

There is a section in The Exchange for trading and that sort of stuff.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/757-Trade-Knives-amp-Tools

Also, FWIW, it is illegal to sell/trade reloaded ammo. For that reason, I am going to edit out the trade offer.

No real problems here, just a bit in the wrong place.

Happy new year, and keep us posted with the project as it goes.
 
bladsmth said:
Good start. I like the shape.


Since this thread is mainly an adjunct to your other one on making the knife, I am going to merge the two threads.

Selling and trading are not allowed on this sub-forum. This arena is for discussion of knife making and related skills.

There is a section in The Exchange for trading and that sort of stuff.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/757-Trade-Knives-amp-Tools

Also, FWIW, it is illegal to sell/trade reloaded ammo. For that reason, I am going to edit out the trade offer.

No real problems here, just a bit in the wrong place.

Happy new year, and keep us posted with the project as it goes.
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No problem I jumped the gun a little and it sounds like the graver idea wouldn't be the best approach anyway. I wouldn't offer reloads I was just thinking brass and lead if someone wanted some.

I'll use my dremel set up and cut the groove.

Thanks for the help, great site, I'm lovin it.
 
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