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http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-SCHRADE...929?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item35b0ce39d9

Seller listed this 2OT a week ago, it ran for 7 days, was bid up to about $225.00 last I saw, and then the auction was ended. This is about the third 2OT he has listed in last 18 months. Generally lists cleaned, shiny knives, generally "minty" or cleaned to mint. Most are older vintage, and I've rarely seen a single knife with any patina. Always polished. Wonder if someone made him an offer he could not refuse. :confused:

However, the seller has over 3000 sales and 100% feedback, so I can't criticize him.

Was anyone looking to bid on this one? I was not.
 
Not me Hal, but I do think it's pretty lame to put something up for bid only to pull it at the last minute. Probably sold it at a show, I've seen him at a few, has some nice knives, but many are cleaned or highly polished.

Eric
 
Not bidding either!! Just like Eric says, pretty lame to list and then pull the auction.

I have see and heard about some sellers that will pull an item if it is not getting bids up to the sellers expectation. If that's the case put a BIN on and see what happens, if your not getting any bites reduce again after the close of each auction, many items have been sold that way and for more than they are generally worth, as someone just has to have it!!

Russell
 
....so has anyone seen an L.L. Bean 2OT before?.....I was watching it only because if he got a 'monty' for it I was getting out my stencilling set for my Schrade 'Conference Wall' 2OT.....although it should be worth a couple of hundred anyway.........Hoo Roo
P.S. that 2OT did not look buffed to me and the blade may well have lost its etch if he tried...that seller has had minty 2OT's before, I reckon, and knows a bit about collector Schrades, and it would be a game seller these days who would sell a buffed 2OT as Mint as the potential buyers on a 2OT know exactly what they are looking at/for IMO...........
 
If I'm not mistaken, this seller has a notorious rep for faking knives. Like others have said, polishing knives to mint, and welding new blades, etc.

He is quite good at what he does...

Glenn
 
Glenn, I think the guy you're thinking of is another seller (I know who you mean though), this guy does do some cleaning though for sure. He does make the show circuit big time though, and I think he's got a few prime suppliers, just have to look carefully at the pics.

On a related note, did you guys see this one?

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&item=280647135087

I DID have a snipe on this one, the grandaddy of the 2OT, and only the second one I'd ever seen. Note the arched stamp in the cap, and you can bet there's an arched tang stamp as well. Plus it's hardly used! I'm mighty depressed over loosing this one, had a bid of $187 on it, and would have won too if it weren't for the last two sky high bidders! ARGH! Oh well, there'll be others....:(

Eric
 
Larry, I think there are some buyers who prefer minty cleaned knives over ones that have aged naturally. Or a lot of ignorant buyers. This seller proves it. However, not usually the case with any Schrade collectors I know.

This knife may not have been cleaned, but I thought it had been polished, at least in my eyes as I looked at it. At least a spit shine on the buffing wheel... And I have seen LL Bean etched blades a few times on Schrade knives.

Later today I poked the bids, and noticed they were all in there, even though it says zero.

Bid retraction and cancellation history:

Cancelled: Mar-27-11 04:49:30 PDT
Bidder i***d Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999 Cancelled: US $434.00
Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids.
Bid: Mar-26-11 16:42:33 PDT

He cancelled it at $434.00. :confused:

Wanted to add too, that he is a terrible knife photographer.

Might add too Eric, I missed seeing that old Cut Co with a spear blade. Cool knife with an incredible long pull. I'd say he missed out by not listing it as a Cut Co.
 
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The seller of the Bean 2OT specializes in highly polished CASE knives, but always has a lot of really high priced knives of one kind or another. He photographs his knives always at the exact same angle and setup, so that you can't tell how much blade loss there is. His gross profits must be well in excess of a million dollars a year. Sometime back, 3 or 4 years ago, I must have asked him a question that made him mad, because he blackballed me and has refused to answer any emails explaining why. I have no idea. That old cutco surprised me. I was in there too. ;) We are having a jolly old Spring snowstorm tonight.
 
I had a snipe set for the 2OT and was very annoyed this morning to see it had disappeared about 12 hrs before closing. I sent him a message asking for an explanation but have received no reply.
He also had a New York Knife Co. 4 blade Senator with a perfect etch "Deluxe" on the Master blade. I had a snipe for this one too but cancelled it after looking more closely at his pics. Despite his description, the blades had been deeply buffed. Shiney pits were clearly visible. The etch was fresh looking and over top of the pits. This knife could have been 100 yrs old. The etch is recent. He either is, or has, an etcher.
I ban myself from his site. Remember: there are plenty of truly near mint, unaltered, older knives 'out there', being sold by honest, full disclosure sellers. I am happy to give these sellers my money in exchange for the real McCoy.
Back to what Larry asked: Did L.L. Bean sell 2OT's with an etch of their logo name ? Likely the etch on this one is recent. Was there ever a real one ?
roland
 
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Mr. Rodgers reply to my email:

"FYI, it was at 255.00 and was pulled, and DO NOT THREATEN ME ABOUT COMPLAINING, GO AHEAD. This is my right as a seller, to protect my interests, this is my knife, and my listing, if you want something bid on it instead of laying in the weeds trying to steal it for nothing, it is a well over 500.00 knife on any day.


- 54rodgers"

roland
 
I replied to the above reply and received this reply in reply:

No, the auction can be ended at any time bids or no bids, up to 12 hours before the close of the auction. a seller can post a buy it know on another listing and end the the other one, or both. I know all to well about bids, if the the knife was at 375+ at 12-1/2 hours to go, I would have left it, it was 125 off coase. I have sold about 6 of the 2OT's on here. One of them was a in the box, with the wrapper, and the postmark on the postage label, brought 650+ Looking at the past track records, and the amount of the bids, it was pulled.


- 54rodgers

Wow, an N.I.B. 2OT ! That's THE Holy Grail.
roland
 
I told you this seller had sold or put up for sale some really decent 2OT's previously. I have followed him for a while and honestly have not seen anything buffed in the minty high end collector bracket....the milling on the backsprings will generally give the game away....plus the tang stamping of course..
Glenn, that is Brett you are thinking of not this bloke....Brett welds the blades on and is highly creative and somewhat of a celebrity on Bernards' site.......should have been a neuro surgeon...LOL....
I would say someone made an excellent offer off site to justify ending auction early which is his perogative....hardly comply's with Ebay rules though....he may just have known he could get more at a knife show for it than Fleabay was attracting....I dont think I have ever seen a worse sellers market than now for Schrade knives which if you can get the auction to go full course translates to good/great deals for buyers. IMO the most fragile sellers market in the past 6 years for Schrade...<I know some sellers have expressed to me in private they will hold on for year or so before putting to Fleabay again and test the market...>.....Hoo Roo.........
 
All he could see was the $255.00 or he is not telling the truth. If you click on the bid results, even though it says ZERO, you can see all of the bid amounts. It clearly shows the high bid was $434.00, and likely no other amount to push it higher during the bidding. I have not studied pulled auctions not, but he probably chickened out and did not trust there would be late bids. He would have showed more grace if he would have put a reserve on the auction or did a BUY IT NOW, or even a crazy price with a MAKE OFFER.

And I was black listed last year for asking if a 2OT he was selling had been professionally cleaned. It was an honest question, and not asked in any way other than that. It had the same shiny appearance, no pictures of the springs, and pictures taken at the same acute angle. He did not answer yes or no, just a rude message telling me I needed to bid on knives elsewhere. I took that as a yes. This one does not appear to have milled liners.
 
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It beats me as to why he would get all bent out of shape about a knife being cleaned or buffed as most of the knives he sells are just that. When you approach his table at a knife show you need to put sunglasses on to take away the glare on the polished blades.

I think he does sell some genuine good stuff, although most of his pieces are re worked.

Russell
 
Russell thanks for your very helpful post. I have followed many of his auctions and thought something like what you state, but was not sure.
That you have seen and assessed his knives 'in person' gives confirmation.
I want unbuffed, all original, old knives, and now i know definitely to avoid his site.
roland
 
Then... I take it that you have all seen the shiney-as-chrome 20 T harness jack on now? It has been sharpened some, he says.:p
 
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