3 different shallots

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ok im looking at 3 different shallots and am having trouble deciding. help me out please. I plan on using these knives so performance is the biggest concern, collectability is nice, but a very big deal. here are the choices:

damascus shallot for sale in the FS forum, there blems, but that doesnt matter to me.

s110v shallot

composite ZDP shallot

what do you guys think?
 
I have heard good things about the composite ZDP blades, but don't own one. That damascus will just get marked up and look crappy in no time, with no performance benefit (IMO).
 
Hi, Loki. A quick look at S110V can be had by searching the forum. There are a couple of good threads going on the steel itself. To my knowledge, the Shallot has been the only production knife (though limited) using this steel.

I have the Shallot in S110V. My PERSONAL thoughts on the S110V Shallot in the Cliff notes version:

- The blade geometry means that while you can get this nasty sharp, it still won't be a great slicer (great cutter, though)

- The steel is NOTHING to be afraid of; it sharpens well and stays sharp

- The blade on this knife works better if the edge is reprofiled a bit, and taken back a few degrees. Mine came pretty dull, which was surprising, but since I reprofiled the edge anyway it didn't matter

- The blade on the S110V seems (hold them side by side) thicker than the ZDP. Comparison pictures on this forum bear this out. This thicker blade gives this knife an excellent, solid feel, and also makes it feel really secure when using it

- Some have made comments about lack of corrosion resistance. This has not been my personal experience. Down here in South Texas it has already been in the 90's a couple of days, and I have been working on removing and rebuilding a roof structure. I have soaked sweat all the way through my clothes (this time of year, add 15 degrees to the ambient air temp and you will have your roof temps) and while the Shallot was in my pocket the whole time, no sign of corrosion - not even any discoloration

A word on edge retention. It doesn't stay sharp forever, but certainly maintains a usable edge longer than my Benchmades, Browning or others. It is so far ahead of my poor old Buck folder it is sad...

Since I am in hands on construction mode these days, this knife gets used. I don't cut up boxes, open mail, clean my fingernails or maintain this knife on the ready to be used if the shredder is on the fritz. I use it to cut wood, fiberglass banding straps, strip wire, cut PVC, remove old paint, etc. Everything a work knife should do.

So far, out of all the knives I have owned over the last 36 years or so in the trades, this one is the best. After using the hell out, I finally had to touch up the blade after a month's use. I was stripping some large copper cable, and repeated cuts into the copper finally dulled the blade - but about 5 minutes on the Lansky fixed it right up.

The utility value of this knife makes it worth the extra $$ to know I have a sharp blade in my pocket when I need it.

Just my 0.02. YMMV.

Robert
 
I got a Damascus from "kershaw" and I really like it!!! I am sure they are all great. You need to decide your steel preference...
 
I have all three. The Damascus is good looking and performs well. The S110V can be made hair whittling sharp, is a great slicer and a very unique steel that will not be around long. The ZDP189 composite is the best slicer and is also a limited run in a unique production configuration. The Damascus will probably be the most available in the long run. You can work on getting all three:D.
 
I have a Damascus Shallot on the way, simply because I like carbon/tool steel blades. I do not own any knives in ZDP (probably the best slicer of the three) or s110v (no doubt a very high-end stainless); either of these are doubtlessly great steels that will meet pretty much any usage the average person is likely to encounter. Do not underestimate the performance level of the damascus, it is produced using three excellent carbon steels: 52100, 5160, and 15N20 (similar to L-6). I don't think you will find many that will dispute the use or capabilities of any of these steels on their own, and I doubt forging them (along with a bit of 203E) into a single billet is going to change their ability to take and hold a very nice edge. So far as cosmetics, if mine ever get marred to the point I don't like the way the look, I'll just sand'em down and re-etch them.
 
Get all of them. Seriously :D

I'd say it depends on the type of work you will be doing. Heavy work, S110V. Lots of EDC/slicing? -- ZDP. Light to medium EDC including but no limited to, food prep, boxes etc.--damascus.

You know you'll end up getting all of them (like me) in the long run anyway.
 
I'd wait for now. According to Crucible specs CPM-110V recommended hardness range is 61-63HRC. While Kershaw heat treats them to 58HRC. I know the range is officially 58-61, but so far I know 3 HRC tests from different people and they all got 58HRC.
it is a very good steel, but IMHO you wont get max out of it at 58 or even 60 HRC. Especially in the folder, which isn't chopper/kukri/combat knife.
 
hmmm...dont know. im really liking the s110v and the ZDP composite. definitely leaning towards the s110v. Im probably most concerned with edge holding and sharpness.
 
You might want to consider reprofiling the S110V, and others like their ZDP really thin, so they reprofile that too.

I'll wait until the darksiders come in here :D
 
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