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WASHINGTON, March 11 - The United States government and a group of Hungarian Jews have agreed to a $25.5 million settlement for the looting of the Hungarians' valuables by American soldiers during World War II, lawyers for the group said Friday.

Gideon Taylor, executive vice president of the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, a New York City group that was involved in mediation between the sides, said the settlement was in part "a symbolic acknowledgement of an isolated and unfortunate chapter of the Americans' role in the Holocaust."

Personally, I was thinking, a few train cars full of cash aint near enough to pay back our soldiers for saving these people from the gaping jaws of hell.
Things like this make me think that this will probably all happen again.
Some people have no sense of gratitude or even propriety.
 
Well, you're certainly correct Danny. But I like to see an example made clear the US is better than that and will make it right when possible.


munk
 
The US sure did a good thing in WWII - but if you had your stuff stolen by some bad guys, you would not be happy with that.
If it were not for the US in WWII, many of us would not be here today.
BUT - whenever a few soldiers to bad things, the victims should not be expected to be happy about it.
Wars kill lots of people, and most of them are innocents. In WWII, 60 million people died - mostly civilians. It was a horrible war, and we lost about 1 million soldiers. I had relatives who died in the war, and so did my wife. Some were soldiers in our army. ...some of my dead relatives were soldiers in Europe.
It was a necessary war on our part - do or die - but if you were one of the children who died, or had your legs or face blown off, you don't need to be greatful for the greater good.
 
Danny, take a cold shower. ;)
Hungary was "liberated" from the Nazis by the Red Army, who then turned the country into a slave state of the USSR. This wasn't about a bunch of grunts picking up a few nick-naks. It was high level milatary decision to steal a train-load of treasure and SELL it for profit.
I know, fog of war, but this incedent was a real disgrace to our country and our military.
We're doing the right thing. You should be proud of it, instead of indignant.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
 
I read all of those articles and I know what you guys are saying, but I stand by my opinion.
This is nt the GERMAN army paying back their victims.
This is the army that saved these people (at least, the side against the NAZI's).
Its legal to bring back a human skull from an enemy soldier you kill, but you cant keep any of his looted valuables?
 
Its legal to bring back a human skull from an enemy soldier you kill, but you cant keep any of his looted valuables?
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so, the hungarian jews were enemies and soldiers brought back their heads to the USA ? Did I get that right ? I am never quite sure, language can be difficult :rolleyes:

regards, Keno
 
I will NOT-will NOT will NOT NOT NOT respond to either side of this issue cause my opinion will piss off so many people that the ad hominem attacks which result will cause ol Rusty to lock it down. :mad: :grumpy: :(

BTW thanks for the heads up Danny. ;)
 
but you cant keep any of his looted valuables
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if you follow the law in almost every country one cannot gain legally possess of a stolen item, even if one did not know it had been stolen by some other person before.

I see your point Danny - but I say it was unjust to take the gold and anything away from the Jews (it is a minor case compared to the other crimes of the holocaust however). It was taken away by a criminal act from US officers if I understand correctly - an act not ordered by the chain of command or the state. So why not charging the officers (if still alive)...

This is nt the GERMAN army paying back their victims.
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because the German army did no longer have the items... believe me we see a wave of charges of this kind rolling and comming for decades here in Germany. Some charges are justified, some others just try to get connected to a real case. Germany has done a lot of wrong things - and tried (and still tries) to do what it could after the war to compensate them after the war.

If we can we should at least try to make things right that have gone wrong.

Andreas
 
I shudder to think of what would happen to japan if that kind of thing ever started happening here...
 
Danny, there really isn't much room for discussion- we're the good guys. We know bad people got away with many more terrible things on massive scales- look at the Japanese- I still wonder how much they admit to? But as the US we are going to pay, and that's good. It's also true that we're the number one target of any claim of injustice- and that's fine too, comes with the territory of being number one in other ways.





munk
 
DannyinJapan said:
I shudder to think of what would happen to japan if that kind of thing ever started happening here...
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Good Point --I should think that the Japanese would be able to sleep much better at night if they would start paying reparations to Hawaii,The Phillipines,Burma,China,and the plethora of South Pacific Islanders that they raped,robbed,maimed,and killed.

Maybe someday when Non-Japanese Asians, who were abused by the Japanese,gain control of "the media", then Japan can look foward to being programmed and conditioned to follow suit and cough up some cash for the
Aloha state and others.
 
This is not going to be resolved. If it makes any feel any better, wasn't the mostly Japanese American (442?) among the most highly decorated of WWll?

It was flat out wrong to stealt the Train's goods. It happens. Is the International community petty and vindictive about the US? Of course they are.

Canada doesn't even want to belong to NORAD anymore...sniff. And France wants Nato to go away, sob.
While we bear the brunt of the War on Terror Europe did not wish to face.
That's my opinion. I realize many here believe the War in Iraq for instance, a misguided corrupt action.

Funny how corruption gets to save the day again!!!

But let's please leave the Hungarians alone- it is not a fit subject for ruffled feathers.

I'd actually be happy to discuss the other holocaust- the 6 million non Jewish people, many of whom were Gypsies, who are recieving no kick back from Switzerland or anyone else. Bye bye, Gypsy.

Life is hard and is not fair.
England is chock full of precious artifacts gathered from around the globe. The sons and daughters of the people these things were taken from wish to have them back.


munk
 
The principle in law, at least, is simple. A thief, never having had title, cannot pass title. Much less can theft from a thief create title in the second thief. "Finders keepers" is not recognized in law when the real owner shows up.

Some of the soldiers who looted the loot from the Nazis were high-ranking officers -- some of whom were not combat soldiers. The looting was known to persons even higher up in the chain of command, or so it is alleged.

We say we are a government of law, not men. Whatever that means, it puts us in a poor position to say to the victims of some of the greatest thieves (and murderers) in history that we get to keep their property because we were on the good side in the war.
 
It is selective enforcement of 'law', Thomas. I was never in doubt it was a crime. And it is good to make good.






munk
 
CHANDAN said:
LINK TO AN OPINION.
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Chandan, I don't know who you are or where you came from but this is the Cantina, not a Munich Beer Hall in 1938, and none of us wear brown. This horse s%6t don't play here.

FYI, if you knew JACK about this list you would know that Uncle Bill Martino who's list this is is married to a Nepalese woman. My wife is native American. Other folks here are married to Japanese, Chinese, Hispanic, in short women from every ethnic background. There are many, many folks with mixed marriages from all over the world, and for the most part we all get along very well. We do so because at heart we all agree that your views as ascribed to the link you posted are just so much camel dung.

Even given the fact that your link has absolutely NOTHING to do with the thread discussion at hand, we are not interested in your anti-Jewish, white supremacist BULLSHIT, so why not go bother the unsuspecting poor SOB's at Cold Steel or some other unsuspecting forum?

There has got to be some Nazi loving knife nuts out there, and you would fit right in. You know, I'll trade you for your SS officers dagger covered in Jewish baby blood for my Hitler Youth pocket knife?

So why don't you just F(*K OFF, OK? Your hole probably hasn't been filled in yet and you can still crawl back into it.

Thanks so much!

Regards,

Norm
 
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