4 dot 110

matt1987

matt1987

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hello, so i bought my first buck 110(took me long enough!). it's a 4 dot and it appears to be almost new. i bought it for about the same price as a current walmart 110, so i guess it was a good deal. anyway i was reading that buck used 425m steel during that time. so i'm wondering how that steel compares to 420hc, and what type of wood was used?

Thanks!
 
The 425MOD performs almost the same as 420HC. Not much of a case can be made that one is significantly better than the other.....the main thing to remember is that both have the BOS heat treat and that gives them an advantage.

Slabs are Macassar Ebony......the Obitchy started about 1994, I believe.

The Four Dots are excellent knives.
 
Congrats Matt -

Can't beat a nice older 110 or 112 - the are just great knives that have stood the test of time.

Pictures of your new purchase would be appreciated!

best regards -

mqqn
 
David Martin said:
Matt, Well sharpened you'll notice 425M offers improved edge retention. DM
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David, when you say well sharpened do you use the same sharpening angle as 420hc ?
The reason I ask is yesterday I sniped a 4dot 112 off the bay for the sole purpose of comparing it to my 420hc 112's ...
Also is the 4 dot 110 the changeover time on the blade profile like the 112 ?


Congrat's Matt,
Let us know how you like it.
 
Before we travel TOO far down David's primrose path of steel comparisons (a path liberally littered with dead and wounded) maybe we should just take a quote with some facts from an authority.

I know we did edge retention testing with a C.A.T.R.A. machine. We compared 420hc to our then current 425mod and they were basically identical in performance. 420hc is not a higher end steel such as ATS-34 or BG-42. Those steels definitely outperformed the 420hc. One note of interested to me was that the BG-42 actually did better than the ATS-34. Not by much though.
Anything else i can help you with?
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BG42EDGE said:
Before we travel TOO far down David's primrose path of steel comparisons (a path liberally littered with dead and wounded) maybe we should just take a quote with some facts from an authority.
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I've been doing a LOT of digging through old posts researching my 700 and 500 series knives and see EXACTLY what you are refering to...
that quote speaks volumes...
I want to do my own side by side comparisons to feel the difference or lack thereof in the "bite" each steel imparts on my stone.
 
Yes, and all that said.......many people seem to find that there can be differences in the steel in specific knives.

In other words, people often find a favorite knife that seems to sharpen well for them and hold an edge very well.

Hard to explain why one knife can turn out to be special, but the making of knives is complex and there are many variables in the process.
 
Sit, Yes, same angle. Sharpen them both up using the same grit, making sure to remove the burr and do your cutting test and see what you get. DM
 
well it came today. the knife has a few fit and finish problems, weak spring, blade play, the blade doesn't snap shut, a small part of the tip is blunt, bolsters scratched. so much for being "like new" lol. it was my fault for not asking questions and requesting more pictures before i bought it. but overall i like the 110. i especially like the solid ebony scales. i'll send it to buck for a spa treatment and warranty work this weekend.

how much does buck charge for spa treatment? and what is the typical turn around time?
 
The cost is $6.95 plus your shipping/insurance cost and they pay the freight back to you.

Don't let it bother you.....usually you can buy a 110 without fear of mechanical problems.....so most of us probably buy with a little more confidence than we should.

Take a "Before Spa" picture.

:)
 
Matt,
If you send the knife directly to me at Buck, I'll get it back to you a little quicker. Just put my name on the outside of the box, with the Buck address. We'll fix it up! :)
 
Not trying to be controversial and I confess to very limited knowledge about steel types but I have been using a 425M, and a relatively recent 420HC 110, side by side for nearly a year now, mainly out of curiosity. My experience has been that the 425M blade retains a very sharp edge quite a bit better than the 420HC blade. Both knives were sharpened be me on the same gear. There hasn't been any science in my approach, just normal use and observation.
 
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