432 & 112 Questions

Scott Hartman

Scott Hartman

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I'm trying real hard not to collect 112's, but I've found myself building a small display. I picked up a 432 and have some questions. The BCCI site doesn't list the 432. What year were they offered for the Firestone Tire coupon? Are the inlays Segua? 440C or 425M?
In Blade's Guide, the 6th Version 112, a 3 dot, 1980-81, there's a paragraph describing the introduction of the nail nick. Were 3 dots made both with and without nail nicks? Also described in this paragraph, is the addition of radiused handles and finger grooves. Were there 3 frame styles offered in 1980-81 for the 3 dot blades?
Here's pics of the 432:
 
there are also rummers of 112 with buck installed 422 baldes in times of minor shortage ... radises were first hand done you can tell by that the lock recess is not radised ! another question to ask is when the first nickel silver came out... it was out on the workman and on the 25 anversery mods
But also on some 112 in nickel silver came from the custom shop with diffrent inlays mostly elk or deer and that is from a good sorce...
addationaly for employee raffels some of the 112 frames had 110 custom blades cut to a drop point for fund rasers again that info from a former production line worker at the old place... rummer is that there was even a tanto type blade on one once... not confermed tho...
112 was designed to meet navy regs on blade size for carry ship board...
 
Buck_110 said:
Scott:

The 112 debuted in 1970(2 liner) with black micarta scales. This was the same year that the spring holder/rear bolster spacer was no longer integral, and was a seperate piece of brass on the 110s. The 112 debuted with the non-integral spring holder/rear bolster spacer. The blade steel used, and the radiused edges/finger grooves changes mirror the 110.

-A four dot 112 without radiused edges will be of 1981 or 1982 vintage.
-A four dot 112FG without radiused edges can only be of 1982 vintage.
-A four dot 112 and 112FG with radiused edges, without a radiused thumb depression area can only be of 1982 vintage.
-Four frames were available; in 1982 only.
-1981 is a four dot(first year)
-The three dot(1980) knives only came with a non-radiused, non-finger groove frame. This is also the first year the blade pivot bushing debuted. Sadly, it is also the last year 440C was used.
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WOW -your kniolage extends past the 110!!!!
i never could keep such details in my mind...
gets confuseig when more the 3 facts at once are required!
the the only questions i have is when nickel silver frames appeared for both the 110 and the 112? adn radisus frames for the 110...
any time now you can send the correct sheat info in rough fornm ...
 
Originally posted by Buck_110:
The 112 debuted in 1970(2 liner) with black micarta scales. This was the same year that the spring holder/rear bolster spacer was no longer integral, and was a seperate piece of brass on the 110s. The 112 debuted with the non-integral spring holder/rear bolster spacer. The blade steel used, and the radiused edges/finger grooves changes mirror the 110.

-A four dot 112 without radiused edges will be of 1981 or 1982 vintage.
-A four dot 112FG without radiused edges can only be of 1982 vintage.
-A four dot 112 and 112FG with radiused edges, without a radiused thumb depression area can only be of 1982 vintage.
-Four frames were available; in 1982 only.
-1981 is a four dot(first year)
-The three dot(1980) knives only came with a non-radiused, non-finger groove frame. This is also the first year the blade pivot bushing debuted. Sadly, it is also the last year 440C was used.
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Buck_110, Thanks! Always good info available here. Do you know if the 3 Dots came with and without nail nicks?
Anybody have any info on the 432?
 
Scott Hartman said:
I'm trying real hard not to collect 112's, but I've found myself building a small display. I picked up a 432 and have some questions. The BCCI site doesn't list the 432. What year were they offered for the Firestone Tire coupon? Are the inlays Segua? 440C or 425M?
In Blade's Guide, the 6th Version 112, a 3 dot, 1980-81, there's a paragraph describing the introduction of the nail nick. Were 3 dots made both with and without nail nicks? Also described in this paragraph, is the addition of radiused handles and finger grooves. Were there 3 frame styles offered in 1980-81 for the 3 dot blades?
Here's pics of the 432:
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Scott, I would drop Joe an email. I would bet he knows or can find the info for you. I have sent him some pretty hard to find models and he took care of most of them! I have never seen one of those before. Makes me almost wish I had bought a set of Firestones!!! :D
Thanks for posting!
 
well i could not find the post as it is all lost in the archives but before it was all put in stroage i used to pick a bcci member and look up all his post back to day one of BF and the for some of that info i cut and pasted in to a doc i was hopeing to wright an artical about folding hunters
any way i found the following from some cut and past info i colledted

432 was a spechel for Good Year some spechal tire and not firestone
it was made in 1983 and there were over 10,000 made and most had intionals engraves in the rear bolster tho some were not
they mostly placed in a non radisus frame as useing up the flat sides left but towords the last of them they were in radisus frames...

and here i thought it was firestone and i dont know why.. i found a post were Joe says that it was used as a number for that tire promoation...

i call and talk to every former buck employee i can find and talk shop and note some of the insterting things they say,,,
and lots of times i ask on things i had rembered some one else said and if confermed i noted it and if not i noted it also
and NO i dont ever record who said what at alll!!!!! jest that i heard this rummer
one thing of note is that if you look at the stampings of buck and usa you can noteice diffrent styles of stamps and i am not talking of depth of stamp
if any one went to maintance records it would be possable to date what time of year a balde was made by the type of stamp on it !!!
some stamps went in to 2 diffrent years as a late in one to early in the other then changed .... so stamps were not made by same company all the time!
check it out....
a long time employee told me that the clip curve was hand shaped and the with of the blade was hand shaped so there is no exat jig leanth on most the early years [ 4 dot and older] at all ! thus it is impossable to say a blade is 95% or not as the range was wide to pass QC...

nickel silver also appeared in 86 on the 110 and 112 and if the work man was before that then it was the first one as i have no record of the first workman but some had NS so which ever was first the 25 year or work man had it ....
 
Scott Hartman said:
I'm trying real hard not to collect 112's...
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HA HA HA! I tried too...for decades.

Don't know about the 432 but I now love the 112.

Dismissed it as a wanna-be 110 until this past year. Then some on this forum got me convinced to try one out. I don't really collect 'em as I only have maybe half a dozen. But...the 112FG Idaho is among my favorites in my EDC rotation.

I hope to someday obtain a 112FG NS (is there such a thing?) in new or well cared for condition.

Anyway, I saw my first 112 at the Alameda NAS Exchange (I wasn't Navy...but my dad's a retired Navy Chief) when they first came out. I thought I'd never own one of those little things.
110 snob even then.

It's a great tool and I appreciate the history lesson I am getting here about it.

Thank you.
 
I think we got all the info on the 432 covered except the wood ued on the inlays. I don't know...hanging my head in shame. I can say that it is not segua and probable a special color made for us for that project, by the company that did our laminating.
The 112 was introduced in 1972, May in fact. Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation out there in print on the 112. The first ones will have black micarta inlays, brass spring holder that is a separate piece, not part of the right hand side, and the blade will be marked BUCK, U.S.A. without a nail nick. The nick was added sometime in about 1980, 3 dot stamp, which is also about the time the finger grooved 112 was introduced. We are talking about 440c up to this point.
Then in 1981 we see the first of the hand radiused versions. 425mod was introduced here too.
The first nickle silver 112 shown in a Buck catalogue was 1987. Remember the misinformation i was talking about? In that Buck catalogue, the 112 NK has a blade etch that commemorates the 25th anniversary of the 112 Ranger. Hmmmm. lets do the math. Introduced in 1972, so in 1988, the date on the etch, that would make the knife 16 years old, not 25. This was before we had a company historian and someone in marketing must have thought the 112 came out with the 110. :rolleyes:
I hope this helps,
 
Buckaholic said:
I now love the 112. I don't really collect 'em as I only have maybe half a dozen.
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Goose sounds like denial to me... :D
How many knives does it take to have a collection :D ????????
6 of the same model!!!!! LOL

Welcome to Buckaholics Anonymous!
 
wh4f said:
Goose sounds like denial to me... :D
How many knives does it take to have a collection :D ????????
6 of the same model!!!!! LOL

Welcome to Buckaholics Anonymous!
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If it only takes 6 of the same model to make a collection,
what does it mean when you have more than 50?
My wife would say an obsession. :o
 
Hey guys, I appreciate all the information and help. Jerry Quinn sent me a couple of pictures, but I could only upload the 112(3 line no dots) with Segua inlays. He also sent a couple of sweet 124's.
 
Scott Hartman said:
Hey guys, I appreciate all the information and help. Jerry Quinn sent me a couple of pictures, but I could only upload the 112(3 line no dots) with Segua inlays. He also sent a couple of sweet 124's.
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humm in referance to that long 124... i belive there are only 4 of them and i belive they all were made by leroy R. i could be wrong tho
but now i have seen one live and picts of all 4... thank you much and ask him if he woudl email me with some nice picts of it...
 
Scott Hartman said:
Hey guys, I appreciate all the information and help. Jerry Quinn sent me a couple of pictures, but I could only upload the 112(3 line no dots) with Segua inlays. He also sent a couple of sweet 124's.
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Hi Scott,

Can Jerry Quinn fill us in on the 124's???? I like them a lot :D :thumbup: . Who made them? Are they factory or were they customs? Info please!!!!!

Thank you
jb4570
 
Mike Kerins said:
If it only takes 6 of the same model to make a collection,
what does it mean when you have more than 50?
My wife would say an obsession. :o
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Thanks for the clarification Mike. I don't have 50 of any one model......yet.....so I'm not in the obsession mode ;) . I'm just a Buck nut:eek: .

jb4570
 
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