440C vs CPM-154

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PatrickKnight

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Given the exact same blade and same HRC how much of a difference would one expect to see in real world outdoor use between these two steels. Would it be enough of a difference to justify the same knife costing twice as much just for the steel upgrade.

Main things I am worried about are:
Corrosion resistance
Ease of sharpening
Lateral strength


I know CPM-154 will more than likely be better on paper in all of these categories but how much better in real world use.
 
For an outdoor fixed blade I probably would choose something different. Maybe 52100 or 5160? I think those may better suit an outdoor blade if you're talking fixed blades.
 
It is a fixed blade, one made by Entrek knives the Javalina model. Its 3/16th of an inch thick 4.25 inch long blade.

Also Seelow I have plenty of fixed blades in carbon steels and tool steels for this one I am really wanting a stainless steel.
 
PatrickKnight said:
It is a fixed blade, one made by Entrek knives the Javalina model. Its 3/16th of an inch thick 4.25 inch long blade.

Also Seelow I have plenty of fixed blades in carbon steels and tool steels for this one I am really wanting a stainless steel.
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Ah okay. Nothing wrong with mixin it up.
 
PatrickKnight said:
It is a fixed blade, one made by Entrek knives the Javalina model. Its 3/16th of an inch thick 4.25 inch long blade.

Also Seelow I have plenty of fixed blades in carbon steels and tool steels for this one I am really wanting a stainless steel.
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Kinda thick at 3/16"...

But with it being that thick I would go with CPM 154 to get all of the benefits of the steel, edge retention is in a whole different league than 440C, sharpening would be about the same, as far as stainless goes both steels are very good.

I seriously doubt you would break that knife in either steel unless you tried to.
 
CPM154 is just an all around better steel, but properly heat treated in a well designed knife most people still won't notice much of a difference in normal use.
 
PatrickKnight said:
It is a fixed blade, one made by Entrek knives the Javalina model. Its 3/16th of an inch thick 4.25 inch long blade.

Also Seelow I have plenty of fixed blades in carbon steels and tool steels for this one I am really wanting a stainless steel.
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Yes, CPM 154 is better, but is not worth twice the price as you said it was in your initial post.

Ray makes a good tough knife. I've had a couple. His Kydex isn't the strongest, but his knives are well made.
 
PatrickKnight said:
It is a fixed blade, one made by Entrek knives the Javalina model. Its 3/16th of an inch thick 4.25 inch long blade.

Also Seelow I have plenty of fixed blades in carbon steels and tool steels for this one I am really wanting a stainless steel.
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Entrek knives are tough as nails. Ray's heat treat and cryo stabilization make for one well behaved knife. I've never had a problem with any of his blades and if anything breaks on the blade, no matter how it happened, Ray will take care of you. So you get a great product with serious piece of mind. Read some of the reviews here on the forum. You won't be disappointed.
 
Thanks for the feed back guys. I know Ray has mastered 440C and I am sure he will do CPM-154 the same I was just curious because while I have used 440C before I have never had any experience with CPM-154 or 154CM for that matter.
 
Yeah I heard Ray might be offering some of his knives in CPM-154. Anybody have any ideas on what blades will be offered? I also heard he's going to offer more blade finishes.
 
I sent him an email he will be doing CPM-154 as well as satin and mirror finishes. He did confirm he will do the Javalina, I am sure if you email him he will let you know what models he will do in CPM-154.
 
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