500 rail spikes

Mecha

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The jig is up: I haven't forged 500 rail spikes into knives, nor did I heat them up until a magnet won't stick and dunk them in the creek. Well, not exactly...

I can't even remember exactly where I got the 500 rail spike notion. It might have been here in Shop Talk, but I think it was an instance at the first knife show I attended, the 2014 OKCA show in Eugene, where I had a table displaying the fruits of my labors - a few crude knives and short swords, and a home-built compact power hammer that would swing a sledgehammer automatically. The S.A.M. Hammer was a big hit at the show, no pun intened. 😁

At the show was a fellow who was irritated that the blades were made out of titanium alloy, and he told me so while outside smoking. After a bit of back and forth with this gruff individual, among other things, he said something to the effect of, "Go forge a few hundred rail spikes and maybe you'd learn how to make a real knife."

Was he wrong, in essence? I don't think so. I actually do believe that many a new blade maker, even one who doesn't intend to forge primarily, will benefit from this exercise.

It gives the blade maker many hours of direct observation and experience with heat and feeling what's happening to the steel as heat and work are applied to it. What happens to it and what it looks like when it's overheated, underheated, how to straighten it, how different thickness sections react to heat, how it reacts to different speeds of being heated, and intensity of heat sources, what damages the metal, etc. etc. He will gain heat control.

During the forging of the limited-size rail spikes, the blade maker will produce blade shapes that were unexpected or unplanned, will end up with different sorts of bevels and tapers, and will begin to form a motif. He will gain a better understanding of form and flow.

When heat treating the blades, with careful observation, the blade smith can get a good hands-on idea of the changes the steel undergoes as it's hardened and tempered. Nuances in how the steel is reacting , look for decalescense and recalescense, let his eyes see the steel as it undergoes transformations, and directly observe and test how the steel was effected with that blade, compared to the other blades. He will gain some control of steel phase changes.

In addition, even if not forging blades very often, forging steel is very useful for many other reasons, including knife guards, altering the dimensions of steel (such as upsetting to get a thicker piece of steel), efficiently making curves, making something round into something flat, etc. He gains basic forging skills.

I don't think it takes hundreds of rail spikes to gain these benefits, even a few dozen will give the mind a lot to work with. Of course everyone learns different things at different speeds.

All that said, obviously a heat treat oven is the way to go and gives so many more options for steels to use, great heat control, and will result in the most reliable, consistent blades. However, even with a state-of-the-art setup, I still think a blade maker has little to lose and something special to gain by messing about making blades the "analog" way, not the least of which is a greatly expanded palette of textures, shapes, and effects to draw upon while making blades - if it's desired. A lot of forging processes can quite efficiently shape steel in three dimensions, too.

Now, about my 500 rail spikes. What the fellow at the knife show didn't know, is that I'd done exactly what he was suggesting, in a way. I knew early on, way before I even knew of Bladeforum's existence and was so insular that I hadn't asked anybody anything, is that I needed to pick a ti alloy with the right characteristics (namely, hardenability) and focus on that one "control" alloy in order to master the metal for use as a sword. Observe everything, and zero-in on what it takes to turn it into a well-functioning long blade.

This is what was chosen: Ti 10Nb square bar stock, 9/16", and enough of it to get the job done...looks a lot like a sword-sized rail spike shank, wouldn't you say? 🤣

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The hands-on, intuitive, observational approach, rather than pure theorizing which, ironically, is more abstract, was the only way to somewhat efficiently figure out how to make it work, along with a ton of research that mostly served to explain true observations after the fact. I treated it like a noob with a pile of rail spikes. With careful observation of what was affecting it during the process of turning it into a blade, and how (and LOTS of testing), eventually it was possible to turn that square bar stock into something like this:

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Ultimately, I don't think it's a bad idea to smack some rail spikes around if you're new to blade-making, or have yet to forge steel. In fact I think it's a great idea.
 
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Hmm I think that’s all great but still not sure if it’s a good enough excuse for you not making 500 yourself. 🤣😂🤣
(Maybe we’ll give him ten lashings instead of 50?) 🤣🤣

Very nice blade sir! (I bet it’s super light) how much does it weigh?
 
Hmm I think that’s all great but still not sure if it’s a good enough excuse for you not making 500 yourself. 🤣😂🤣
(Maybe we’ll give him ten lashings instead of 50?) 🤣🤣

Very nice blade sir! (I bet it’s super light) how much does it weigh?

The bare blade was 12.5 ounces. A slim thing, distally-tapered in thickness.

Here it is when the billet was being ground, along with a jian blade:

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What --WHAT?! Learning the attributes and characteristics of ONE steel before buying a half dozen different types of super steels and spending an eternity of a day on each? Surely you jest, sir?!

Beautiful sword by the way.
 
What --WHAT?! Learning the attributes and characteristics of ONE steel before buying a half dozen different types of super steels and spending an eternity of a day on each? Surely you jest, sir?!

Beautiful sword by the way.
If only railroad spikes weren't mild steel.

Other rail materials are ten-eighty, federally mandated quality
Clips, rail and so on.
 
When I think of "mild steel" I tend to thing of something like 1018 which is .18% carbon. A RR spike usually runs in the .25% to .30% and in the case of HC spikes it's in the .35% range. Still not really good "blade steel". I saw some RailRoad spikes for sale made from 1095 (or some HC steel) for making knifes that looked like RR spike knives.

I've made a few RR spike knives in the past, they're good practice. Quenching in Super Quench will usually get up in high 40's Rc which will take a "shaving" edge.

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When I first got my forge, I told myself I would forge 100 blades in 100 days just to learn what I was doing

I didn't make it the full 100 days. My arm was just too darn tired. I DID however have 30 terrible blades, each slightly better than the last!

My blades are still nothing to brag about, but those first 30something blades taught me more about steel than I ever thought they would
 
If only railroad spikes weren't mild steel.

Other rail materials are ten-eighty, federally mandated quality
Clips, rail and so on.

Ahh, for some reason I thought they were usually 1045. It does seem like bladesmiths mess around with them often.


OK, one down 499 more to go...
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This is the quickest knife I’ve ever made, but hey it shaves hair 🤣🤣

When I first got my forge, I told myself I would forge 100 blades in 100 days just to learn what I was doing

I didn't make it the full 100 days. My arm was just too darn tired. I DID however have 30 terrible blades, each slightly better than the last!

My blades are still nothing to brag about, but those first 30something blades taught me more about steel than I ever thought they would

Now don't go getting arthritis or anything. No reason to get premature arthritis over rail spike knives. I'm pretty beat up from doing things the stupid way, and don't recommend it.

The nuance of the 500 rail spike joke is that it's aimed at brand-new CAD/CNC people who would just farm out a knife to be made in Guangdong by a bunch of guys with CNC mills, then laser in a "Made in USA (of global components)" mark and sell them on Instagram. The idea of hand-forging 500 of these things in coal and giving them a crude heat treatment is basically the polar opposite, and equally comical, version of that.

But if you're new to metalwork and knife-making, banging a few out is a great way to get a good basic feel for what's going on, I think, and at least you'll end up with a beater shop knife and some gifts for friends!
 
Here is a spec I found for RR spikes that mentioned using "Q235" alloy. There are other types of alloys used. I expect most are somewhat similar. Also, remember spikes vary depending on where they are used. In curves the spikes have different specs than the ones used in a straight section of track.

Chemical Composition (heat analysis), %, ≤
Steel GradeQuality GradeCSiMnPSDeoxidation Method
Q235Q235A0.220.351.400.0450.050Rimmed / Killed
Q235B0.200.351.400.0450.045Rimmed / Killed
Q235C0.170.351.400.0400.040Killed
Q235D0.170.351.400.0350.035Exceptionally Killed
 
Here is a spec I found for RR spikes that mentioned using "Q235" alloy. There are other types of alloys used. I expect most are somewhat similar. Also, remember spikes vary depending on where they are used. In curves the spikes have different specs than the ones used in a straight section of track.

Chemical Composition (heat analysis), %, ≤
Steel GradeQuality GradeCSiMnPSDeoxidation Method
Q235Q235A0.220.351.400.0450.050Rimmed / Killed
Q235B0.200.351.400.0450.045Rimmed / Killed
Q235C0.170.351.400.0400.040Killed
Q235D0.170.351.400.0350.035Exceptionally Killed

That right there is why you dunk them in the creek. To get the most out of the fairly low carbon content.
 
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