5160 vs. 0170-6 vs. 1095 (Ranger vs. Becker vs. Kabar

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In a previous thread I had asked about the best Kabar as I am semi-looking to replace my do everything fixed blade (an old PAL RH-36 that I have had for over 25 years 6.25" carbon steel blade). I mentioned maybe getting something with a full tang which led to Vassili suggesting Ranger knives. the anger RD line uses 5160 steel and I was curious as how it compares to Beckers 0170-6, or kabars 1095. I am well aware the Swamp Rats have a strong following, but I am just not prepared to pay $200 for a knife, so I am looking upto $80 (which is still twice the amount I have ever paid for a knife). For an even $100 I know I can get a Becker BK7 and a BK9 including shipping, which is not a bad deal at all. Thanks in advance for any input
 
Have you looked at the Kabar Heavy Bowies? I believe they are in 1085 which is probably more appropriate for longer heavy knife than 1095. They only run around $45. I like mine.
 
I do hope you know that ALL steels are just compromises made with different concessions for different applications.

1095 is a standard cutlery steel. It is not as "springy" as 5160, but that same trait allows 1095 a better, sharper edge according to most accounts I have read.

So, I would think of 5160 as better in a chopper and 1095 as better for a cutter. Mileage may vary, especially with heat treating differences.

0170-6 is like "product improved 1095," with the addition of some other elements, most notably vanadium. I view this one as splitting the difference, properties-wise between 1095 and 5160 for the purposes of this discussion.

0170-6 is like 1095 but "more." It is probably more impact resistant than the simpler steel, but not a notable on that front as is 5160 spring steel.

Personally, I'd rule out Beckers for the moment. They might have a "lifetime" warranty, but the life expectancy of Camillus isn't looking too hot at this time.

In 7" or less I am a fan of 1095. Anything larger should probably be made of something else. I am really becoming a fan of Ontario's RAT line in 1095. The RAT-5 I own has been a really great performer and came in at about $80.00

I own knives that are far more expensive than the RAT-5, but none of them are more handy or feel better in my hand. Those Rangers are bruisers by comparison, so you really need to take stock of how you actually use your knives in the outdoors because the three candidates you have so far are pretty far apart in what they were designed to do despite some surface and price similarities.
 
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I know you don't want to pay 200 for a swamp rat, but how about 89 for a scrapyard. The Scrapper 6 has a 6.5" blade made out of "modified" (whatever that means in their case) S-7 "shock" steel. S-7 is one of the toughest steels out there, and I am sure that the heat treat the busse folks put on it is one of the best available. It is comfortable, tough as nails, and holds it edge fairly well. I also really like the Ontario Rat series, and have had good luck with both Beckers and the Ka-bar heavy bowie. All are good knives and will serve you well.
 
I didn't know that so many people were unaware that Ka-Bar's "1095 Cro-Van" steel is actually 0170-6. 0170-6 is a fairly old blade steel and has gone by numreous names, depending on the company using it.

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3G
 
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I would look more closely at the ranger and the scrap yard knives. stay away from becker, like mentioned before, I have the ontario heavy bowie and its really nice for the price and would serve you well but, for the extra 40-50 dollars you could get a real work horse in the scrapper 6 or ranger 7. Both have a lifetime warrenty so you don't have to worry about buying another knife, if it breaks they replace it.

forrest
 
Most ABS champion knives are made from 5160. May be I am wrong, but it seems like it is very popular and many knives which compete are also 5160. I am not sure that 1095 is better cutter steel.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I don't know about Scrap Yard's warranty, but I know that Becker, Ka-Bar and most of others will not give you the warranty Ranger knives have.

And that's why I suggest Ranger. (and also because of Justin's customer service :thumbup:)

(btw if you want more choices you can add TOPS, Bark River and Ontario RAT to your selection :))
 
I disagree a little with those pushing you away from the Beckers. While it does look like Camillus may be going down the tubes, fact is you can buy a BK7 for about 50 bucks, a BK9 for about 60. They are just phenomenal values at those prices. Phenomenal.

The other knives mentioned are great too, you've got a Disneyland of choices. Enjoy, because whatever you end up with - out of those mentioned - no doubt you'll be happy with it.
 
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