51OT question..

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Just had my 3 51OT out to have a clean and polish..and a little play of course...I noticed the two nicer of them have the tang stamped Schrade USA 51OT,...The older and slightly used has tang stamped....Schrade over USA...it has no 51ot.
It is the same drop point blade but different tang stamp.Is this a steel type change,as I thought they were all stainless,or is it an older original tang stamp...
Thanks in advance for the tree of knowledge filling me in..Wade
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Here is a repost of the research I did on this pattern some time back.


Schrade 51OT Big Timer Research

In 1978 the Schrade catalogs featured several new patterns. The 13OT, 14OT, RL2 fixed blade hunting knives, and the LB7, 858OT, 51OT folders.

As with most patterns introduced, tooling and production ramp-up and run to rate for the 51OT began in 1977 with almost 18.000 pieces produced. Over the six years of production between 1977 and 1982, the year production ceased, a total of approximately 125,000 of the 51OT were produced. With a total volume this large, the Big Timer can hardly be called rare. However the number of years elapsed since production was halted (22 years), combined with ISC’s closing in 2004, creates an apparent scarcity of this pattern on the market. Thus, rarity is a matter of perception.

I think maybe the fact that many were held from the beginning in collections, or were used hard as was intended adds to the current scarcity. Twenty two years add up to a lot of natural attrition for any non-commemorative or limited edition production knife.

One factor that led to it being deleted from the Old Timer line in the first place acted in it’s favor for a good percentage of production surviving intact. Because of it’s awkward size and shape, a good many were lightly used, if at all. We’ve all purchased a knife to use because of eye appeal and then found it to be uncomfortable to use or unwieldy to carry.

Another factor affecting the decision to delete it from the line was relatively slow sales due to what I call the “bang-for-the-buck”. When introduced, it was more expensive than any other folder in both the Schrade and Uncle Henry lines, and topped even four of the OT fixed blades including the 165OT which listed for three dollars less, and the 15OT which was priced eight dollars less. Over the six years of production, they averaged only 20,000 per year sold.

Looking at them critically, you will see a lot of resemblance in the shapes and construction of the 3OT, 5OT, 6OT and other later introduced lockbacks.

The 51OT...rare? No. Scarce? Somewhat. Collectable? Yes. I am yet to go after one for my own collection, but with 125,000 of them having been made, I am willing to wait for one at a reasonable price.



Michael

If I were to guess about the different tangstamp, I would say that the blade, if not the entire knife, was intended to be an SFO or limited edition of some type.
 
I posted this before, but it seems like a good place to show again. The fourth knife down has a blade etch that says "Made for the Collector." One of them has the abbreviated tang stamp referred to above. I sent another one off to Dale Vincent to handle in ivory, for my 2010 Christmas present to myself!

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G'day Calvin, That 51OT with the fighting deers is a very scarce knife with only very limited number produced.. It was not part of the American Outdoors Series as one would suspect. I do have 2 myself and Larry Vickery did quite a bit of research for me on how and when that version 51OT was produced. I dont have access to that research at the moment...perhaps Larry would refresh my memory again and advise how many were made and why/when. Thanks.
 
saw one and since this post piqued my interest gave a go and got it. will share photos later. man what a nice hefty knife. can see why most would not want to carry it and the drop point blade does seem to restrict its use. the sheath is a new variant to me also but its shape does conform with the knife.
 
Larry,
Refresh your memory? I cant remember what I had for breakfast an hour ago..
 
I have finally got access once again to my beloved Schrades after 7 months absence!......withdrawal symptoms have been setting in.....<I've opened my shipping container which contained them all in Victoria>
Lrv I can now refresh your memory regarding Calvins rare 51OT with the two deers pictured above, however I cannot tell you what you had for breakfast..we all have Vegemite <black yeast extract!> on toast for Brekky here and its only an Aussie that can stand to eat it! I'll send a jar if you like and if you cant eat it it makes excellent axle grease.....!
......"""the 2 Deer stamp First appeared on the 500SC scrimshaw in 1981 and the micarta handled <not delrin> 51OT had to be after the Amex 1984 Special Presidential Series.......
In 1994 Catalog item #S0200524 was changed from a 524SC to the 504SC <51OT style yellow micarta handle with 2 deers> and only 14 were done in 1994....
in 1995 -36 made
and the final year 1996- 48 made......so total of only 98 ever made it out give or take a few protos......."""
so very scarce knife you have Cal and as I also have 2 Mint versions there are only 95 opportunities remaining out there to own one.....
so if anyone sees one come up for sale ...jump on it quick......
Hoo Roo
 
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Larry,
You can keep the Vegemite. I've had it. :D. Definitely an acquired taste which I have not acquired!
 
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