532 Bucklock in BG-42 .... available now?

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Not the Master Series.

I was shopping in Riverside, CA and happened by a knife dealer there who showed me his Y2K Buck catalog and there, right along with the Strider folder mentioned on this forum, was a set of 532 Bucklocks ... and in BG-42!

These were not Master Series, as the scales appeared to be smooth wood (walnut, red and blue), but included the 532 filework.

I'm surprised that given the level of interest in this forum for these knives, and the anticipation of members for the 532 in PCKS, that there wasn't an announcement of this offering (salesman said it could be ordered now). Did I miss a post on these?

Sorry, I forgot to get a part number on them.

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Longden Loo - Ventura, CA
Technology's the answer, what's the question?

 
They should be available around April. That seems to be when the new models come out. I have several on order and will post here when they finally hit the street.

The numbers are 532BR, 532BL and 532RD. The colors are Walnut, Indigo and Cherry. The name of the knife is the Bucklock 2000. They will list at $100.00 and will be produced (I was told) for the year 2000 only. Another limited edition.

As for the interest on this forum being a guage for the success of this or any other product, it is, at best an inaccurate indicator. Most of us dealers have already learned the hard way not to stock up too heavily based on what we read here.

You folks are the hard core of the knife enthusiast community and are not representative the general buying public.

We all share a common interest in edged tools and that brings us together. Our discussions and conversations lead us to believe that we are the foundation of the knife buying public and represent the average or general attitude toward purchasing, carrying and using knives. The fact that we appreciate the differences between the steels, handle shapes, edge holding and geometry characteristics of fine cutlery must mean that everyone does.

Actually the opposite is true. Most of the folks who buy knives or carry them or use them are not as informed or as dedicated to knifecraft as the citizens of this small community.

Here are some of the characteristics of the "average knife buyer/user":

Most do not know the difference between BG42 and 320 stainless (and don't care).

They really believe the term "never needs sharpening".

The Ginsu knife is the ultimate cutting machine.

The measure of a good quality knife is if it doesn't rust when they forget and leave it in the sink for three or four days or the toolbox for three or four months.

When the knife has a difficult time tearing its way through a block of cheddar cheese its time to resharpen and then, usually, that means replacing it.

If a pocket knife or small kitchen knife cost more than $3.00 they are being "ripped off" and the most any "quality knife" (Ginsu knife) should ever cost is less than $20.00.

They don't understand how anyone could ever charge a hundred dollars for a knife.


I don't mean to sound churlish, snobbish or elitist but that is the real world outside of Bladeforums and Knifeforums and the other gathering places for enthusiasts dedicated to their interests.

There was a reason the 532 was dropped from the lineup a few years ago and it had nothing to do with what the experts thought of the design. It was sales. In business you carry or produce what sells and drop what doesn't. The bottom line is the deciding factor. The original 532 did not sell well enough to continue it's existence, the same with the 124, the M9, the 118, the Kalinga, the Akouna, the selector and many other models over the years.

Unfortunately, I don't think the forums have enough members, yet, to sustain the production of any model made by any manufacturer. It's easy to assume from the enthusiasm of the members here that a product will be an instant success but, in reality, it just ain't always so.

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Dennis Wright
Wright Knife & Sporting Goods
1-800-400-1980
("Have a knife day!")
wrightknife@ixpres.com

[This message has been edited by Dennis Wright (edited 01-31-2000).]
 
Hi Dennis, and thanks for that very funny (or sad) survey of the mind of non-knife "heathens".

I'm well aware that BF member interest isn't a good marketing indicator. As I mentioned in my note, I was just surprised that the 532 made it to the 2000 Buck catalog without fanfare or announcement in Buck's own forum, despite the enthusiasm of not only members, but of the Buck moderator himself.

This is (relevant) news I'm talking about, not a marketing decision ... the latter of which has already been made with the printing and distribution of the catalog.
 
Dennis,

Yup...thats about the size of it, like it or not.

Long,
The knife is not out yet. No new news yet really. Or maybe i am just hording them all! Both likely scenarious!

Take care,

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Joe Houser
Director of Quality, Buck Knives Inc.
Buck Collectors club Administrator
 
Dennis, you are, unfortunately, right on the mark. I think most of us know your right, deep down, we just don't want to think about it too much
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! I run into these additudes all the time at work, where, not only do folks gag at the cost of my knives, but also have no understanding of why I might have 3 or 4 different ones on me at any given moment. Oh well, I'm going back to my old practice of only using one in public, cuts down on the questions and raised eyebrows. Heck, most people are amazed to find out I have more than one multi-tool.
Hopefully though, Buck will have great response to the 532s this time, leading to more neat stuff down the road.
Brian

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Buck Collectors Club Member
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Hi guys. Remember, please, that the description of the non knife nuts was strictly tongue-in-cheek.

No matter how accurate it may or may not be it wasn't a criticism or a condemnation. Heck, we're all novices until we're taught. The only problem is that it just seems that there are so many "students" out there.

Actually, its fun "teaching" them all of this stuff. (It is kind of disconcerting, though, when their eyes glaze over about the time I start explaining how edge geometry interacts with steel composition and rockwell hardness to make the capitulated fratistat superior to the articulated framas, although it can only be determined by the correct utilization of a properly calibrated gozortinator.) I mean, if they can't understand that, what's the point?

Besides, all they really came in for was a Ginsu Knife. (No I don't carry them so don't try to order one.)

I have entirely too much time on my hands tonight.
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Having explained all that, I wanted to let you folks know about some of the neat things coming out of El Cajon later on this year.

Most of you know about the Strider folder. This is one tough knife. I think that, once the folks who are used to the standard Buck inventory get over the shock of seeing this badass brute come off of Weld Ave. they will be impressed enough to want one. I know I had a hard time putting it down at the SHOT Show. They were keeping VERY close tabs on this one there. Model # 880 MSRP $190.00 (and worth it)

How many of you know about the Carbon Fiber handled Lightning? Carbon fiber/kevlar handle, ATS34 blade, partially serrated (I don't understand why they won't make it with a plain blade!
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), black pocket clip. This is one sweet knife. feels very good in the hand and a prefect companion to the CF Odyssey. Beautiful! Model # 176CF. MSRP $98.00

How about the Zipper, guthook skinner with Buffalo horn carved to look like an Impala horn? Another limited edition for 2000. 1st 2000 serialized. model 191BH MSRP $190.00.

The Big Sky will be coming out with a brown handle and sheath in addition to the black one.

Buckcote has been changed to Ionfusion. (same process, different name) This procedure really works. The number of models with the treatment has been pared down to five, all but the 119 being the champagne Zirconium Nitride. The 119 is still the gray TiAlN.

There is also a mini Mentor with a stag handle and a deer head laser cut into the blade and a leather sheath. Model 475DP MSRP $80.00

Finally there is an Elk Profile Vanguard with a Stag handle and an Elk head laser cut into the blade. This is a really handsome knife. Limited edition, 1st 2000 serialized. Model 192EP MSRP $166.00

Two Nighthawks have been discontinued, the Fully serrated one and the bead blasted blade are gone. The black blade and the tanto remain.

That covers most of the changes I saw at the SHOT Show, except for the price increase. Oh yeah, did I forget that? About 3% effective Feb. 1.

I probably missed a few of the minor changes and variations but I think I got all of the high spots. Hope you found it informative.

Later.

DW

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Dennis Wright
Wright Knife & Sporting Goods
1-800-400-1980
("Have a knife day!")
wrightknife@ixpres.com
 
Thanks for the info, Dennis. Buck is really getting into some nice areas and I'm kinda excited about the spring fashions this year!

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Buck Collectors Club Member
Knifeknut(just ask my wife)
Cetan Blood Brother
Military & Moran Admiration Society
 
I had bought a Master series 532 and it was very attractive but there was so much blade play, I sold it. After reading the posts on this model I regret that decision. I should have sent it back to Buck to correct.

Are the ones being made now going to have better quality control?

Thanks. Dave
 
Dave,

Yes!



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Joe Houser
Director of Quality, Buck Knives Inc.
Buck Collectors club Administrator
 
Excellent product development roundup Dennis.

We have a love affair with the 532's and we just can not let them go. They are such beauties that when we discontinued we set them aside for special projects. We then used them for Master Series. This last is keeping them in the BG-42 blades and keeping them in the catalog.

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CJ Buck
Buck Knives, Inc.
AKTI Member #PR00003


 
Dennis,

What did you think of the 3 flavors of the 532 Year 2000 models? It's kinda hard to tell how those sclaes really look from the catalog pages alone.


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Member: American Knife & Tool Institute; Varmint Hunters Association;
National Rifle Association; Praire Thunder Inc.; Rapid City Rifle Club;
Spearfish Rifle & Pistol Club; Buck Collectors Club (prime interest: 532s)
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Bob, The walnut looked good. It's a little darker than the wood they used on the original 532. This looks richer and I like it better. The red and blue don't look too bad. Nither one is a bright color so they don't look garish. I kind of liked both of them. I think I would take the red one over the blue one though. The example I saw had wood that was not very clear. The color didn't stand out and thete were streaks in it. It looked kind of grainy. Hopefully, the production versions will have better quality scales.

If they would do them in the green frenchwood they used for the after run MS knives they would look spectacular. That is some really pretty wood. If the color and finish of the production knives is as good as the green wood they should be ok. The blue and the red ones might be really pretty if they do that.

My overall impression of the knife was very good. I like them and I hope they do well. I would like to see them come back for good. I know the BG42 Buck uses in them is really good steel. It has to be with Paul Bos doing the heat treating for them. He has it right.

I would go with the walnut version right now, though. When I see the production models and, if they are better, I might change that but, as it stands, I recommend the brown. (Of course, to have a set you would need all three.
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Hope this helps.

DW

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Dennis Wright
Wright Knife & Sporting Goods
1-800-400-1980
("Have a knife day!")
wrightknife@ixpres.com
 
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