5684L77 Marine Corps Sheath Knife

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Hello! I just came across this forum and have a question concerning the above knife. Does anyone know where I can get one of these or does anyone have one that they want to sell? I was very excited finding this forum because all the fake Marine Corps Sheath Knives out there is mind boggling. I don't mind spending some money, just not on junk.

Thanks for any and all responses!

WS
 
Whopper Stopper; welcome!
You spoke of genuine manufacturer "repros" or outright fakes with no stamp markings?
-http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/camillus.htm
-http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/ka-bar.htm

First thing you gotta know is that the current U.S. Gov. Issue (USGI) kbars are stamped with a "US" mark.
Forget real deal WW2 kbars, as these are mostly sold as and when they become available from individuals who want to dispose of them.
There are differences between "wartime supplied", in opposed to what is now.
The kbars currently USGI are either from Ontario Knives,
Read "Mark 2 Markings"
-http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/knife_knotes_3.htm
Read "New Purchases"
-http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/knife_knotes_9.htm
Current Ka Bar Knives are not made to government specifications.
Read "More on the Black "Issue" Ka-bar"
-http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/knife_knotes_10.htm
So are considered kbar replicas unlike the WW2 Ka Bars

How much a difference this all makes to the common everyday user or serviceman is yet to be listed for a fact. But basically I won't be too surprise to find this stopping anyone in the military or otherwise to buy one "off the shelf" (regular commercial variety). You could to.
 
Darn, this is a Camillus forum.
It just slipped pass me to mention that in event that you buy a current manufactured kbar; Camillus makes an excellent "mil spec type kbar", but as you know they have no "US" stamp on them unlike an Ontario Marine Combat which is all black. The Camillus kbar comes with a black sheath but a strange dark brown anti-fungal paint coat on it's stack leather handles. I am not too sure if the all light brown 'USMC Globe and Anchor" sheath is still in production. That's probably closer to the USMC WW2 kbar in color. There was also the Case knives Marine kbar; then again I am not too sure if this is still in production either. You'll find that even though they bear a similarity in design; their quality varies from manufacture to manufacture, especially in the finishing. Ka Bar knives have the most splendid care put into every knife. Camillus is good too. Case did not supply any kbars. An Ontario has pretty crude finish but excellent blade quality. Semper Fi Marine! A good day is not having used a kbar for anything but...
 
So hit me on the head with a block of wood but finding a actual ww2 5684L77 marine corps sheath knives will be as hard to find as hens teeth. The reason I had inquired about them was because my Father in Law has one that was given to him by his dad. When you sharpen it up the hair literally pops off your arm. That was the main reason I wanted one. It has been awhile since I have seen it so I am not sure of what markings it all has. Anyway thank you very much for the responses. I greatly appreciate it.

WS
 
If it's a usin' knife you're after and not a wall hanger, an Ontario kbar has a differentially tempered blade for optimum user results. That's what I meant by Ontario having "excellent blade quality"; and not having a superb cosmetic superficial appearance.
 
GIRLYmann said:
If it's a usin' knife you're after and not a wall hanger, an Ontario kbar has a differentially tempered blade for optimum user results. That's what I meant by Ontario having "excellent blade quality"; and not having a superb cosmetic superficial appearance.
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What about the Camillus kabar? Is is not heat treated this way?
 
A question which an official representative from Camillus ought to answer and jump into this thread by now! Aren't there any Camillus mods here?
 
I am not sure what you mean by "differentially tempered blade".

I obviously cannot speak for the Kabar, but the Camillus 7" & 5" carbon steel knives are hardened on the blade only, keeping the tang soft. They are then tempered. I would guess that the Kabar is processed in a similar fashion.

Hardening the tang of a stick tang knife is a sure method of achieving tang breakage!

One advantage of the Camillus versions of these knives is that they are made of 0170-6C, the same material used on the Becker knives.
 
There you go! A fantastic factual reply from the CamMod.
BTW, "differentially tempered blade" basically would mean heat treatment done on a blade which would bring about (hopefully!) a soft tang, a flexible spine and harden edge as per mil spec requirement.

Question for Phil Gibbs: Any idea when exactly was 0170-6C used to manufacture the Camillus Marine Combat Knife?
 
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