622 Endeavor new for 2013

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I think this knife is the sleeper in the 2013 Buck catalog and doesn't seem to have attracted any attention because it has not hit the stores yet. Full width tang, nylon handles, and what looks to be a useful shape should be pretty handy. With a MSRP of $70 it's $15 less than the 119 Special with an MSRP of $85, that should translate to a sub $50 selling price. I know I'm not the only one that wishes it was being offered as a knife and not a "saw."

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Yes I like it but want full plain edge, I hate combo edges. Buck needs to at least offer it in two choices, PE and combo. I like it but will not buy it with a combo edge.
 
Really like the length, and shape of the blade. it reminds me of a smaller 124, I would love to see it with a different handle material.
 
I too am disenchanted by the serrations. I'd be considering one for a "truck knife", but am not too terribly fond of serrations, for a general use fixed blade anyhow.
 
Matt and honestlyinsane, you both said you'd like to see it in a different handle.
What material would you guys like to see the handle made of?
 
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My issue isn't with the handle material. It's with the blade.

I too don't get the serrated blade. But the other show stopper for me is the severe hollow grind.

To my mind, the full tang construction along with the marketing promise of (from the Buck web site) "A tough, reliable blade is a necessity in the outdoors." both suggest a good survival/general purpose outdoors utility knife.

Included in the list of "extreme tasks" (again, from the web site) that I would expect a knife like this to excel at would be cutting wood. IME, knives with flatter grinds do better, much better at dealing with wood than knives with hollow grinds. The issue is that the abrupt shoulder of the hollow grind binds up in wood.

Fallkiniven figured this out with their pilot survival knives. So did ESEE.
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Not that this was any big discovery. Schrade understood this back in the 60s and 70s with their H-15, which was a basic outdoor utility knife derived from pilot's knives.

h-15-sheath by Pinnah, on Flickr

Before that there were knives like the Western L46-5. Same basic size. Flatter grind.
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I suspect Buck will sell more Endeavors out of *Marts though. The hollow grind is good at producing sexy, scary looking blades and lacking Bear Gryliss's grimacing face on the packaging, you need something sexy and scary I guess.

Or not.
 
Matt and honestlyinsane, you both said you'd like to see it in a different handle.
What material would you guys like to see the handle made of?

I would like to see a rose wood, Micarta or G10 handle. The handle as it sits now reminds me of the Intrepid, and the handles on that beast were cheap feeling, IMO.
 
Now that I re-look at the knife, I'm not digg'in the recurve on the blade either. The hollow grind, serration, and recurve along with the crappy nylon handle, I'm going to say NO on this one.
 
I'm one who could be grouped into the anti-recurve faction. With that being said, recurves don't really bother me as long as they're kinda subtle. Hollow grinds are kind of a Buck thing, and I could live with that. One of the major reasons I'm kinda interested in this one is due to the price. Still the combo edge kills it. It's so close, but so far away from what I'm looking for. I agree they could spice up the handle with Dymondwood or something more lively.
 
I like it, would go for a PE version better, but at the price they will sell, I'll probably get one just to satisfy my own curiosity.
 
I didn't realize there was another version of this knife until I saw Oregon's post in an earlier thread. He pointed out that there is a black version called the 822 Sentry. The two knives aren't even in the same part of the catalog. The black version MSRP is $15 more at $85. With two versions I think it would have made more sense to have the serrations on the black version for the tacti-cool gang and give the rest of us a plain edge on the 622. Does anyone know what a "black traction coating" is? Powdercoat?

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I'm one who could be grouped into the anti-recurve faction. With that being said, recurves don't really bother me as long as they're kinda subtle. Hollow grinds are kind of a Buck thing, and I could live with that. One of the major reasons I'm kinda interested in this one is due to the price. Still the combo edge kills it. It's so close, but so far away from what I'm looking for. I agree they could spice up the handle with Dymondwood or something more lively.

When I first saw this knife, I thought of the old gospel hymn, "Almost Persuaded".

I'm with you on the recurve. I can live with it so long as it's not overdone and it's not.

Regarding handles, if Buck made the scales removable (torx heads), they could do a side business in separate scales of all sort of materials. Or at least create a platform for a cottage industry of replacement scales. Might be a nice way to drive buzz.

But I just can't get past the grind. Well I could given a few beers and some quality time with my stones. ;^)

Your comment that the hollow grind "is a Buck thing" has been winding around my brain though....

Back in the day, Buck obviously used flatter grinds. I think the oldies shown in the oldest Buck thread are what I've heard called a "sabre grind" and aren't much different from what you would have seen on Imperials, Westerns, Marbles and Schrades of that era.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...o-has-the-oldest-Buck?p=11896431#post11896431

But you're right that in recent times, Buck uses hollow grinds almost exclusively and often does so with great flurish.

Why?

I don't buy for a second that it's about cost. Just too many low cost flat or non-hollow point knives out there like Victorinox, Opinel, Mora, Becker. Buck certainly has the production ability to put a flatter grind on this knife at this price point.

Is it tradition? I'll accept that on their classic hunting knives. Arguably hollow grinds have their place butchering meat and I can understand why the 119, 105 or 110 will continue to have hollow grinds (even though I strongly prefer flat). But it's not like Buck is hide bound to the look and feel of the phenolic hunting knives or folding hunters. Just look at the range of knives on the Buck web site where Buck has used all sort of designs that break with their hunting line tradition. Given that, I just can't see that relying on a hollow grind is the one single design constant for all Buck knives.

I suspect that the answer may be that at some level, it "is a Buck thing" to build knives that appeal to bad-asses - sort of a classier version of the zombie apocalypse without the gory graphics. Much better if the gory graphics and scary reputation are provided by Hollywood slasher movies. Then you can use that to sell knives to punks and hoodlums while keeping your image clean. And this is the big benefit I can see of the hollow grind. You can use it to create all sorts of interesting looking patterns on the blade that make it look cool, where cool mean menacing.

Can anybody suggest a functional reason for the hollow grind on a knife designed for general purpose outdoor use?
 
I was excited about this knife, kinda liked the lines on this one, but then I saw the serrations and got unexcited LoL, might still give the uncoated version a shot
 
7 respondents on this thread..
Counting myself there are 7 negative votes on the serrations and 1 positive.
 
7 respondents on this thread..
Counting myself there are 7 negative votes on the serrations and 1 positive.

Make that 8 negatives. I like the look of the Endeavor and the price point, but I already have a Buck Simonich Raven Legacy that I really like and will stick with.
 
I'm not nuts about the serrations, but I just ordered one of the knives yesterday. I do like the overall look of it, so I'll live with the part that I don't like.
 
I'm not nuts about the serrations, but I just ordered one of the knives yesterday. I do like the overall look of it, so I'll live with the part that I don't like.

Did you get the black coated blade or the satin finished?
 
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